LordPathera Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 We know that 50,000 is a gross exaggeration, so what would be Dorne's true strength range? I'd wager for a range of 20 to 30,000 strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallTyrion Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 I think around 20 000 is the most common number given Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sithis Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 I don't remember numbers at the top of my head, but 20-30k seems realistic. Dorne is known to be one of the weaker regions, but that doesn't mean their support wouldn't be a significant contribution to Aegon/Dany or whoever they support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
239JMFL34109 Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 yeah at this point thanks their position only get stronger because of the war in the north Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsay's Penguins Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 25-30k. It's pretty big although the centre is desert. Coast and along rivers and in the mountains is no different to most other places in Westeros. The is probably easy 12k men in the mountains, given the strength of the marcher lords. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olligarchy Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 I'd expect Dorne's true strength to lie somewhere around 20-30k with the low end estimate of 20k being what they would muster for a Host and the remaining 10k being a reserve or garrison force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenlyIsNotRight Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Darkstar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonardo Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 15k.These are all too high of estimatesSending 10000 men was a loooot for dorne. 20k men at most. House Hightower itself probably overlords more people than the entirety of Dorne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Arthur Hightower Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 That depends on where you put the other regions, if simply because we know the Stormlands is a fair bit below the North, Riverlands and Vale, and that Dorne is a fair bit below that. So if you have the north/Vale at ~45-50,000 then it is not unforeseeable that Dorne has closer to 30,000 than 20,000, if the North/Vale has ~35,000 then I don't see Dorne having very much over 20,000. Personally I have Dorne as much lower than that, 10,000 should have been the best part of the forces, so 20,000 might actually be scraping the bottom of the barrel for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrinceHenryris Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Dorne's strength is Dorne itself. While they might not be able to send a huge army North, they can certainly defend themselves. Rhaenys and Meraxes couldn't conquer Dorne. The Young Dragon theoretically conquered Dorne but couldn't hold it. My guess is that no matter the numbers, Dorne can defend itself.Thinking about this led me to another idea. Are the Sand Snakes unique in their martial pursuits or is it somewhat common in Dorne? There's is much more equality in Dorne, and maybe the women are given some amount of military training, leaving the Prince/Priness free to send more men North? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joluoto2 Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Dorne's strength is their geography. With the right tactics (i.e. the tactics Dorne usually use against invaders) it's a pain the ass to try to conquer them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Blue Eyes Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 A tad less than 30,000 is the most common estimate. Thinking about this led me to another idea. Are the Sand Snakes unique in their martial pursuits or is it somewhat common in Dorne? There's is much more equality in Dorne, and maybe the women are given some amount of military training, leaving the Prince/Priness free to send more men North?Pretty unique. Check the released Arianne chapter of Winds: Elia Sand is catching flak left and right. Form Dornishmen and -women. Anyway, it wouldn't be an advantage even if they did. Economy is the limiting factor, not the number of fit men. You'd have about twenty of those for any soldier. Otherwise you'd simply starve.And of course women are simply not on equal footing with men during battle. That 200-300% more upper body strength alone sees to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikkel Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Dorne's strength is Dorne itself. While they might not be able to send a huge army North, they can certainly defend themselves. Rhaenys and Meraxes couldn't conquer Dorne. The Young Dragon theoretically conquered Dorne but couldn't hold it. My guess is that no matter the numbers, Dorne can defend itself. Dorne's strength is their geography. With the right tactics (i.e. the tactics Dorne usually use against invaders) it's a pain the ass to try to conquer them. These are the answers you're looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primalsplit Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Dornish Master Plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Northman Reborn Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 As mentioned above, the order of strength quite clearly places the Stormlands below the North and Vale, but still above Dorne. So our assessment of Dorne's strength will be directly dependent on the first clear evidence we get of either the North, Vale or Stormlands full strength.we know it is North/Vale, step down, Stormlands, step down, Dorne. And with a big enough gap that the steps are clearly delineated.my view:North/Vale 45kStormlands 30-35kDorne 25-30k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Doe Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 I'd wager for a range of 20 to 30,000 strong. I think the same, but nearer to 20.000 than 30.000 I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howling Mad Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Real strenght? Universal conscription for both genders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikkel Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Real strenght? Universal conscription for both genders. If they can still only field somewhere around half the soldiers of the other regions, that's not really a strength, at best it's a leveler that takes them from inconsequential to mildly relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimim Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Going by the lack of intellect in the Martells, I'm going with the average Dornish person's willingness to defend their land and culture as their primary strength. The number of knights is really immaterial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobOsevens Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 If they can still only field somewhere around half the soldiers of the other regions, that's not really a strength, at best it's a leveler that takes them from inconsequential to mildly relevant. I think they are more than mildly relevant... by the time they march supporting Dany or Aegon all of the other kingdoms minus the Vale have been engaged in warfare for a long time and are unprepared for the coming winter A fresh fighting force backing either Dany or Aegon should put either over the top so to speak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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