Question about Sansa and littlefinger

[ToTheWolves]

I can't recall but is there anyone alive that could reveal to Sansa all the things littlefinger put her family through? Like having Lysa poison Jon arryn and sending the letter to cat? Or is that one of those things that will most likely never come to light?

[Mladen]

The fact that Sansa heard snippet of truth is an indication that she will eventually realize what LF has done. On top of that, there are many who know that LF betrayed Ned. Plus, we should never forget that skinchanging ability has various uses. Bloodraven was/is a living proof of that.

[Faydra]

I think she overheard something in one of their discussions. However, I doesn't matter since she doesn't know about the letter in the first place. 

 

She's likely to find out LF's intentions on her own, by placing a puzzle at a time. 

[aryagonnakill#2]

Lysa confesses to killing Jon Aryn in front of Sansa before LF kills her.  I cannot remember if she mentions sending a letter to Cat about it but it seems kinda likely she did.  In terms of who could tell Sansa what LF did to Ned, the answer is Sandor and Tyrion.  While Tyrion was not in the throne room at the time, he proves he knows what happens when he deals with Slynt, and he knows about the letter sent to Cat.  Sandor likely saw all, and could potentially have heard LF convince Joffrey to kill Ned instead of let him take the black, if that indeed happened.

 

Theon could potentially tell Sansa what he did to Jeyne Poole.  I'd also give Arya a level of credit here, especially if Jeyne makes it to Bravos with Tycho or Massey.  Tho I tend to think Arya will kill Varys, she could give Sansa the reason to kill LF.

[spoon89]

Lysa confesses to killing Jon Aryn in front of Sansa before LF kills her.  I cannot remember if she mentions sending a letter to Cat about it but it seems kinda likely she did.  In terms of who could tell Sansa what LF did to Ned, the answer is Sandor and Tyrion.  While Tyrion was not in the throne room at the time, he proves he knows what happens when he deals with Slynt, and he knows about the letter sent to Cat.  Sandor likely saw all, and could potentially have heard LF convince Joffrey to kill Ned instead of let him take the black, if that indeed happened.

 

Theon could potentially tell Sansa what he did to Jeyne Poole.  I'd also give Arya a level of credit here, especially if Jeyne makes it to Bravos with Tycho or Massey.  Tho I tend to think Arya will kill Varys, she could give Sansa the reason to kill LF.

 

:agree: 

During her meltdown at the Moon Door Lysa blabbed out the whole of the plot to kill Jon Arryn and the letter she wrote to Catelyn to blame the Lannisters for it. 

 

Once Sansa gets a few more pieces of information about his betrayal of her father (Sandor was in the throne as were many others) and possibly puts together that LF influnced Joffrey to behead him, etc. she'll be LF's undoing.

[aryagonnakill#2]

I just had an interesting thought.  What if Shaderrick is not there to kidknap Sansa, but just to spy and meddle in LF's affairs, and he tells Sansa on behalf of Varys.  Or, he is there to kidknap her and in a bid to get her to come with him willingly he tells her what LF did, again via Varys.

 

There is also old man Kettleblack, 1 of it not LF's most trusted ally, who's sons have now been royally fucked(pun intended) by Cersei as a result of LF's scheming.

[Grail King]

As mentioned Sansa knows much, but the trauma of almost being pushed out the moon door has her forgetting the confession, like remembering her family being painful, so to this may be painful because it was a family member she felt would protect her.

 

Sandor and Sansa and Arya have unfinished business, I would not doubt that he tells both girls the full run down if all three should meet.

[Balerion the kitten]

Lysa confesses to killing Jon Aryn in front of Sansa before LF kills her.  I cannot remember if she mentions sending a letter to Cat about it but it seems kinda likely she did.  In terms of who could tell Sansa what LF did to Ned, the answer is Sandor and Tyrion.  While Tyrion was not in the throne room at the time, he proves he knows what happens when he deals with Slynt, and he knows about the letter sent to Cat.  Sandor likely saw all, and could potentially have heard LF convince Joffrey to kill Ned instead of let him take the black, if that indeed happened.
 
Theon could potentially tell Sansa what he did to Jeyne Poole.  I'd also give Arya a level of credit here, especially if Jeyne makes it to Bravos with Tycho or Massey.  Tho I tend to think Arya will kill Varys, she could give Sansa the reason to kill LF.

She did
"And I wrote Catelyn and told her the Lannisters had killed my lord husband, just as you said. That was so clever ... you were always very clever"

[LordDireStark]

What you have to remember is that Sansa was probably more to blame for Neds

death than anyone. Baelish betrayed Ned but that only happened after Sansa

told Cersai about Neds plans first. Cersai would never have been able to figure

out what Ned was up to if Sansa didn't run to her saying that Ned was sending

her and Arya back to winterfell. So Sansa can be a little dense at times.

[Grail King]

What you have to remember is that Sansa was probably more to blame for Neds

death than anyone. Baelish betrayed Ned but that only happened after Sansa

told Cersai about Neds plans first. Cersai would never have been able to figure

out what Ned was up to if Sansa didn't run to her saying that Ned was sending

her and Arya back to winterfell. So Sansa can be a little dense at times.

 Your a bit wrong, Cersei had RB death plan already running, Ned told Cersei he was telling Robert of her treason when he comes back, all Arya and Sansa knew was they were leaving three days from the day Ned talked to Cersei and going by boat, Cersei's no genius but once Ned opened up to her even she knew they have to leave quickly and not by the Kings road, so the docks were watched, neither Sansa nor Arya knew the name of the ship.

Ned lost his head because of: Ned Joffry and LF not Sansa, when she went to say good bye the only info was leaving on a boat and when.  Sansa did not see Cersei until one or two days after Ned warned Cersei.

 

Sansa being taken hostage is on Ned and Sansa, Ned's head is on him and Joff and LF.

[aryagonnakill#2]

^Cersei had no way of knowing when Ned was going to make his move, Sansa isn't responsible for the attack, but she is responsible for Cersei acting so quickly and Sansa+Arya still being in the city, so that also means any of the staff that would have left with them, such as the septa is on her too.

 

Sansa will become a great character, but there's no reason to deny what she was in AGOT.

[Lost Melnibonean]

I can't recall but is there anyone alive that could reveal to Sansa all the things littlefinger put her family through? Like having Lysa poison Jon arryn and sending the letter to cat? Or is that one of those things that will most likely never come to light?

Bran or any of her siblings with knowledge from Bran.

[Grail King]

^Cersei had no way of knowing when Ned was going to make his move, Sansa isn't responsible for the attack, but she is responsible for Cersei acting so quickly and Sansa+Arya still being in the city, so that also means any of the staff that would have left with them, such as the septa is on her too.

 

Sansa will become a great character, but there's no reason to deny what she was in AGOT.

I'm not denying her foolishness, Ned failed to get his house out Before he talked to Cersei, he should have just told his guards to leave with the daughters and household at night and never tell his daughters anything.

 

Ned went to Cersei First, his capture and imprisonment is on him and him alone, the loss of his head is on him, joffry and LF, all Sansa knew is she was being sent home and her father refused to let her say goodbye ( for good reasons), Ned sort of put the horse before the cart here, he tells Mordane he talk to Sansa later ( he should have talked to her the same way he did Arya ), when Sansa went to Cersei she had a day or less to act, but if Ned was on top of the game, they would have been gone without Cersei knowing anything.

 

Sansa is guilty of disobeying her father, naiveness, and lack of understanding how bad the situation was even when Ned told her of the situation, even if Sansa did not go to Cersei their escape was no where assured since Ned already threaten Cersei in the Godswood.

[Grail King]

Bran or any of her siblings with knowledge from Bran.

No wierwoods in KL, when he gets more powerful maybe, but for now she needs a flashback from Lysa pushing her, or LF gets drunk and spills the beans or Sandor.

[Lost Melnibonean]

The fact that Sansa heard snippet of truth is an indication that she will eventually realize what LF has done. On top of that, there are many who know that LF betrayed Ned. Plus, we should never forget that skinchanging ability has various uses. Bloodraven was/is a living proof of that.

Who knows Petyr promised to aid Eddard with the gold cloaks?

[Darkstream]

What you have to remember is that Sansa was probably more to blame for Neds
death than anyone.

Except Littlefinger, Cercei, Jamie, Joffrey, Ilyn Payne, Meryn Trant, probably Varys, even Robert is more to blame than Sansa.

Did I miss anyone?


ETA: Not to mention Ned himself.

[Lost Melnibonean]

Lysa confesses to killing Jon Aryn in front of Sansa before LF kills her.  I cannot remember if she mentions sending a letter to Cat about it but it seems kinda likely she did.  In terms of who could tell Sansa what LF did to Ned, the answer is Sandor and Tyrion.  While Tyrion was not in the throne room at the time, he proves he knows what happens when he deals with Slynt, and he knows about the letter sent to Cat.  Sandor likely saw all, and could potentially have heard LF convince Joffrey to kill Ned instead of let him take the black, if that indeed happened.
 
Theon could potentially tell Sansa what he did to Jeyne Poole.  I'd also give Arya a level of credit here, especially if Jeyne makes it to Bravos with Tycho or Massey.  Tho I tend to think Arya will kill Varys, she could give Sansa the reason to kill LF.

That's assuming Sansa ever asks after her dearest friend.

[falcotron]

Ned's head is on him

If Ned's head were on him, half of the problems in Westeros would never have happened. :)

Anyway, I'd like to see Sansa decide that what LF is doing now (whatever that is at the time) needs to be stopped, and only find out that she had good reasons for personal vengeance later, after she'd already taken care of it. She also shouldn't realize that she inherits all his stuff until after she does it. Let her commit murder for the purest possible reason; that's an interesting enough ethical dilemma for her character.

Also, I'd love this conversation:

Sansa: I'm glad you survived Essos and managed to get back to Westeros. So, do you want to stay here with me and Harry?

Arya: I can't. My list isn't quite finished. I learned in Braavos that Littlefinger convinced Joffrey to kill our father. I have to hunt him down and--

Sansa: Petyr? Oh, I pushed him out the window a couple months ago. When he told me his plot for Uncle Blackfish, that was the final straw.

Arya: Oh. Damn. I thought I was the badass Stark girl.

Sansa: Aww, you're still my badass little sister. So, what are you going to do now?

Arya: I keep getting this idea that I should track down our half-brother and marry him. Although I also feel like I should be 16 now rather than 11, so it's a little confusing. Almost as if my destiny has been changing over time as the one god figures out what to do with me.

[Lord Wraith]

Who knows Petyr promised to aid Eddard with the gold cloaks?

 

Eddard and maybe Janos Slynt and they aren't telling anyone.

[Lost Melnibonean]

What you have to remember is that Sansa was probably more to blame for Neds
death than anyone. Baelish betrayed Ned but that only happened after Sansa
told Cersai about Neds plans first. Cersai would never have been able to figure
out what Ned was up to if Sansa didn't run to her saying that Ned was sending
her and Arya back to winterfell. So Sansa can be a little dense at times.

Cersei would have outmaneuverer Eddard anyway, but she might not have prevented Sansa and Arya and Mordane and few guardsmen from escaping on the Wind Witch with Eddard's letter to Stannis.