Moiraine Sedai Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 House Blackwood donated its genes to Houses Targaryen and Stark. Targaryen genes are special and conveys many abilities to its members. Stark genes carry the warging ability. What did the Blackwood gene contribute to the mix? Please name any famous Blackwood that you can think from the story.Thanks M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guy Garlan Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Bloodraven: Targaryen dad + Blackwood mom = powerful skinchanger, wizard and who knows what else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roose on the Loose Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 BR is the son of Melissa Blackwood. That may be why BR is a warg. The Backwoods keep the Old Gods. And there's that creepy tree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Winter-ish Stuff Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 I'm a firm believer that House Stark received their warging ability from House Blackwood when they defeated the Warg King (the Blackwood's kingly title, ie: Barrow King, Red King, King of Winter) and took their daughter's to bride. Therefore it was actually House Blackwood with the warging ability all along and the Starks mixed it in along with the Barrow King, Marsh King, and all the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple-eyes Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Warg is not unique for Stark or Blackwood. It happens among many people. But dragon stuff is unique for Targ. I think Blackwood gene is not very special. just regular people's genes. Bloodraven himself is special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guy Garlan Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Warg is not unique for Stark or Blackwood. It happens among many people. But dragon stuff is unique for Targ. I think Blackwood gene is not very special. just regular people's genes. Bloodraven himself is special. Yeah, warging is more like a First Men thing, I guessBut what dragon stuff do you mean? Targ blood helps riding a dragon, sure, but dragon riding is not exclusive to Targs and their bastards (see: Nettles), and while "dragon/prophetic" dreams are common in Targs, I don't think they're exclusive to them either because I don't think House Toland, for example, has an extensive wealth of Targ blood, and yet Teora Toland appears to have these sort of dreams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple-eyes Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Yeah, warging is more like a First Men thing, I guessBut what dragon stuff do you mean? Targ blood helps riding a dragon, sure, but dragon riding is not exclusive to Targs and their bastards (see: Nettles), and while "dragon/prophetic" dreams are common in Targs, I don't think they're exclusive to them either becauseHidden ContentNettles was said as dragon seed rider in the world book. She just did not have a targ look. So people may feel confused. It looks like Targ blood or gene is indeed necessary for dragon riding and dragon dreaming. This is quite unique. This is because they are one of the forty houses who can raise and ride dragons. And other 39 houses all died. For house toland, I think the little fat girl did have some targ blood from somewhere. Maybe Martell?We will be told some day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guy Garlan Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Nettles was said as dragon seed rider in the world book. She just did not have a targ look. So people may feel confused. It looks like Targ blood or gene is indeed necessary for dragon riding and dragon dreaming. This is quite unique. This is because they are one of the forty houses who can raise and ride dragons. And other 39 houses all died. For house toland, I think the little fat girl did have some targ blood from somewhere. Maybe Martell?We will be told some day.Nettles was a dragon seed?! Ugh, one more reason not to read the world book. What's wrong with a little girl who managed to ride a dragon through patience and guile instead of blood? #Justice4NettlesIt'd be hilariously ironic if House Toland ended up having some Targ blood, though, given their sigil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple-eyes Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Nettles was a dragon seed?! Ugh, one more reason not to read the world book. What's wrong with a little girl who managed to ride a dragon through patience and guile instead of blood? #Justice4NettlesIt'd be hilariously ironic if House Toland ended up having some Targ blood, though, given their sigilif dragon can be ridden by simply providing food, then all the glory of house Targ and dany will be heavily diminished. GRRM will not want it. House toland is the only house who has dragon in the sigil except Targ, if I remeber correctly. So they are indeed special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat of the Rivers Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Nettles was a dragon seed?! Ugh, one more reason not to read the world book. What's wrong with a little girl who managed to ride a dragon through patience and guile instead of blood? #Justice4NettlesIt'd be hilariously ironic if House Toland ended up having some Targ blood, though, given their sigil Maybe one of the Daenerys' (Daeron the Good's sister) children with her Martell husband ended up marrying one of the Tolands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HexMachina Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Nettles was a dragon seed?! Ugh, one more reason not to read the world book. What's wrong with a little girl who managed to ride a dragon through patience and guile instead of blood? #Justice4NettlesIt'd be hilariously ironic if House Toland ended up having some Targ blood, though, given their sigilNettles being a dragon seed is no more confirmed after the World book than it was after TPATQ. It's more or less left up to the reader to make up their own mind as far as I see it, and I do t think that will change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saving Stannis Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 I'm a firm believer that House Stark received their warging ability from House Blackwood when they defeated the Warg King (the Blackwood's kingly title, ie: Barrow King, Red King, King of Winter) and took their daughter's to bride. Therefore it was actually House Blackwood with the warging ability all along and the Starks mixed it in along with the Barrow King, Marsh King, and all the others. where do the Blackwood and Stark lines mix? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aryagonnakill#2 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 This topic doesn't seem to want to let me quote, however Targ blood is definitely not required to ride a dragon, there were 40 dragon riding families in Valyria and the blood of Old valyria is still alive in many of the free cities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple-eyes Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 This topic doesn't seem to want to let me quote, however Targ blood is definitely not required to ride a dragon, there were 40 dragon riding families in Valyria and the blood of Old valyria is still alive in many of the free cities.To be accurate, yes, blood of 40 dragon riding houses are required to ride a dragon. But 39 died so only Targ left. That is why we say targ blood is required. It is not contradictory. However, blood of old valyria does not mean you can ride a dragon. You have to have blood from those 40 houses. For example, house velaryon has old valyria blood is not a dragon lord house. Whoever drive a dragon from this house, was by his targ blood which is likely originated from the grand-mother of Aegon. Old valyria blood-----dragon house bloodsimilar asfirst men blood-----warging house bloodthe former is much larger than the latter. they are not equal at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aryagonnakill#2 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 I don't see why a dragon seed a couple of generations removed can ride a dragon but a Valyron who has married into house Targ multiple times cannot. Quentyn was succeeding with the dragon he was whipping, he was burnt by a second dragon from behind, his 1 drop seemed to be enough. To live within the black walls of Volantis you must be able to trade your lineage back to Old Valyria, I find it highly unlikely that they weren't interbred with dragonlord families at some point. Ghengis Khan is said to be an ancestor of like a third of Asia, it just seems implausible that there are not lots and lots of people out there with blood from families who rode dragons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curled Finger Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Arya, where did you get that the dragon seeds were a couple of generations removed? I was under the impression that they were all direct bastards of Targs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Wraith Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Warging and green dreams seem very much like a first men trait. There are many houses that mentioning warging or control over animals in their histories/myths. To say nothing of the Wildlings.I don't see why a dragon seed a couple of generations removed can ride a dragon but a Valyron who has married into house Targ multiple times cannot. Quentyn was succeeding with the dragon he was whipping, he was burnt by a second dragon from behind, his 1 drop seemed to be enough. To live within the black walls of Volantis you must be able to trade your lineage back to Old Valyria, I find it highly unlikely that they weren't interbred with dragonlord families at some point. Ghengis Khan is said to be an ancestor of like a third of Asia, it just seems implausible that there are not lots and lots of people out there with blood from families who rode dragons.0.5 % of the world's population is descended from Genghis Khan. I feel that the blood of old Valyria in some form is needed to ride a dragon not Targaryen blood specifically. Much like First Men blood leads to warging and green sight not just Stark blood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 I think that the Stark powers have more to do with Marsh King's daughter than the Blackwoods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roswell Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Warging and green dreams seem very much like a first men trait. There are many houses that mentioning warging or control over animals in their histories/myths. To say nothing of the Wildlings.0.5 % of the world's population is descended from Genghis Khan. I feel that the blood of old Valyria in some form is needed to ride a dragon not Targaryen blood specifically. Much like First Men blood leads to warging and green sight not just Stark blood. Could be due to the needs of the bonding. Having the blood of old Valyria allows one to bond with a dragon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Winter-ish Stuff Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 where do the Blackwood and Stark lines mix?Well if I'm correct that the Warg King was indeed a Blackwood.... When the Starks subdued the Warg King. They took his daughters to bride. Also more recently, Willam Stark married Melantha Blackwood and produced: Edwyle and Jocelyn Stark. Edwyle went on to father Rickard Stark who was Ned's father. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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