DraculaAD1972 Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 There's a petition to get Trump to pardon Assange:Â https://www.change.org/p/donald-trump-pardon-julian-assange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Pepper Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 So I guess that thing about him being the law and order candidate really is out. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altherion Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 That doesn't make any sense. Assange is being prosecuted by the government of Sweden. Trump couldn't issue a pardon for him even if he wanted to, though I suppose he can promise not to push for extradition to the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datepalm Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 What authority does Trump have to pardon an Australian citizen in the UK (or Ecuador, I guess?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Pepper Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 He's Donald Trump.  He can make Mexico pay for our infrastructure.  He can solve the ISIS issue.  He can bring jobs back.  He can pardon citizens or residents of other countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S John Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 I remember when Assange was the devil to right wingers.  I suspect that he soon will be again.  I think his M.O. is chaos and diminishing US influence.  Now that he's dinged the US by helping to elect a wholly unfit POTUS, he'll set his sights on a new target, and that very well may be Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DraculaAD1972 Posted November 10, 2016 Author Share Posted November 10, 2016 Wikileaks want a formal confirmation that the US government won't prosecute Assange or Wikileaks, but since Assange is under extradition to Sweden it's unclear what the petition is calling for. I think it's for Donald Trump to do what he can to help Assange, Trump certainly talked a lot about Wikileaks at his rallies.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 I suspect that the petition to get a veggie burger at In-n-Out has a better shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durckad Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Do we even need a separate elections thread any longer or can it be folded into the long ignored Politics thread? Ah, well, let the wailing and teeth-gnashing continue... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All-for-Joffrey Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Yeah, this is dumb, but it did made me think of the implications of the election for Snowden. Presumably, with Trump in office, Putin has no more use for Snowden. I wonder if Russia will be extraditing Snowden to the US now. Or worse, poisoning him. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stubby Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 What would be hilarious is if Pres Obama gives Hillary a blanket pardon for everything Trump has accused her of before he sees out his term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MerenthaClone Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 We could also drop the idiotic 20page rule and not have two locked elections thread on the front page of Misc because of it, especially since the shit quotations software makes it really hard to quote someone from the previous thread neatly. Â That's an idea. Â And given that I'm finally not so hungover, its incredibly disappointing that my adopted home state of PA was essentially the nail in Clinton's coffin. Â They voted to continue to chase the heights of steel and coal, despite the fact that there is absolutely no way to bring either of those industries back. Â They're dead, and a lying shit of a man got their votes because he promised completely empty lies in contrast to actual proposals that emphasized job training and cheaper college so that people could try to build a new economy. Â The Rust Belt just shot itself on the strength of meaningless lies and its incredibly upsetting that they took the rest of the country with them. Â Â e: Â And at a national level, Dems can't obstruct shit. Â The filibuster will be gone as soon as the new congress takes their seats. Â There's no way the party that refused to even entertain a hearing for a SCOTUS nom doesn't immediately turn around and take away the tools that they used, especially since the GOP platform is FYGM personified. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martell Spy Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Thousands Protest Looming Trump Presidency in Cities Across the Country http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/11/09/protests_to_trump_presidency_erupt_on_city_streets_across_country.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martell Spy Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Analysts: No hope for TPP after Trump win http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/trump-trade-tpp-2016-presidential-election-231112 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Northman Reborn Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Haha. Wolf Blitzer copping so much abuse for his shell shocked, panicked and clearly partisan response through the evening as the growing realization of Trumps pending victory dawned on him. And that David Gergen character. Good heavens. Where the heck did they dredge him up from? He was almost crying in the lead up to Hillary's concession speech. CNN has lost any claim to the moral high ground. They are every bit as partisan as Fox News. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altherion Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 From the popular vote discussion in the other thread: it is difficult to determine how meaningful this parameter is. If it mattered, it would be completely dominated by large states such as California and Texas, but right now, everybody knows how those states will go so a disproportional number of people don't bother voting unless they have some stake in a competitive local race. Here are the numbers based on Google's info at the time of this post: California: 55 electoral votes, 8930459 total votes Texas: 38 electoral votes, 8903237 total votes Based on the approximate population ratio, (55-2)/(38-2) = 1.47, if there are 8903237 votes in Texas, one would expect 13.1 million in California, but it's not anywhere near that (it may be that they're not quite done counting yet, but I doubt it will increase that much). Those 4 million missing votes are easily more than the total voting population of the 10 smallest states combined. It's not clear who would win if the popular vote mattered: the next biggest non-battleground states tend to be Democratic (New York, Illinois), but there seem to be more medium Republican states. Also, there would be a whole lot more campaigning in the large "safe" states if the popular vote mattered. Basically, if the goal was to win the popular vote, the race would be completely different and it's not obvious who would be the winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datepalm Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Wouldn't she have to actually be guilty of something to be pardoned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altherion Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 No, not necessarily. Ford gave Nixon a blanket pardon for any and all actions committed while he was President. Obama could do the same for Clinton for the period when she was Secretary of State. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pebble thats Stubby Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Couldn't Donald undo any potential pardon Obama may give Clinton, just cos he's Donald and says he can? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altherion Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 No. A pardon is not an executive order; it cannot be revoked once issued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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