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Why didn't Cat/Robb insist on a wedding/bedding before Robb left the Twins?


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33 minutes ago, PrinceHenryris said:

Cat negotiated the betrothal.  Robb agreed.  It would take a while for the Northern army to cross.  Wouldn't have been prudent for Robb to pick out a Frey girl and marry her before he left the twins?

Robb was probably too busy thinking about military matters, but shouldn't Cat have figured that out?

Neither Robb or Cat knew how events woulf spiral out of control, they still figured that they would get Ned back and be returning home soon, not fighting a war for the next year. The Freys had already fulfilled their part of the deal. 

 

15 minutes ago, Floki of the Ironborn said:

Walder would have wanted to wait and see how Robb fared in battle. 

 

Like Robb and Cat, Walder also can not see into the future. He had already agreed this alliance with a 15 year kid he knew very little about. He would have been in favour of an early marriage and bedding in the hopes of a pregnancy. Robb's proficiency on the battlefield would have been immaterial. 

 

Robb and Cat were in a rush, it was likely their call not to have the wedding their and then. They'd already received the (Significant) dowry, the deal was done.

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1 hour ago, PrinceHenryris said:

Cat negotiated the betrothal.  Robb agreed.  It would take a while for the Northern army to cross.  Wouldn't have been prudent for Robb to pick out a Frey girl and marry her before he left the twins?

Robb was probably too busy thinking about military matters, but shouldn't Cat have figured that out?

I think Robb was too young to wed and bed. Also if lets say, Margaery became available, should Robb turn her and the army she would bring down for a Frey?

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Robb was pursuing a high risk strategy. The Starks might be defeated and then the Freys would face Lannister fury. So, Frey was probably not too bothered about the marriage not taking place straight away. It probably ought to have been organized when Robb was at Riverrun. However, Tywin's men were roaming the riverlands raiding, and Robb and his advisors were consumed with trying to develop a response. So they held off from holding the marriage. I believe the idea was that Robb or Cat could spend some time picking the daughter they liked best too, and they didn't have time.

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4 hours ago, PrinceHenryris said:

Cat negotiated the betrothal.  Robb agreed.  It would take a while for the Northern army to cross.  Wouldn't have been prudent for Robb to pick out a Frey girl and marry her before he left the twins?

Robb was probably too busy thinking about military matters, but shouldn't Cat have figured that out?

Because Robb and the Starks agreed to the deal and swore an oath to Lord Walder.  That should have been all it took.  Any person with even a modicum of honor would fulfill his oath and therefore the Freys took the Starks at their word that Robb would marry one of their girls.  No one thought Robb would do something so terribly dishonorable as to break his sworn oath.

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Undoubtedly Walder insisted on waiting. That way if Robb lost, he could say that he never meant to follow through on it as evidenced by the fact that he didn't allow the marriage to take place. He's not called The Late Lord Frey for nothing.

Robb needed to get across that bridge, so Walder could name whatever terms he liked and Robb had no choice but to agree to all of it.

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31 minutes ago, Lady Blizzardborn said:

Undoubtedly Walder insisted on waiting. That way if Robb lost, he could say that he never meant to follow through on it as evidenced by the fact that he didn't allow the marriage to take place. He's not called The Late Lord Frey for nothing.

Robb needed to get across that bridge, so Walder could name whatever terms he liked and Robb had no choice but to agree to all of it.

He had already followed through, sending 3, 600 soldiers to fight Tywin and Jaime. That is what would anger the Crown, not him marrying a Frey to Robb. 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Bernie Mac said:

He had already followed through, sending 3, 600 soldiers to fight Tywin and Jaime. That is what would anger the Crown, not him marrying a Frey to Robb. 

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Walder could claim he was acting on orders, or implied orders, from Riverrun as regards the soldiers. The Tullys are his overlords, so he could easily weasel his way out on that charge.

I don't think the crown would consider Walder giving one of his daughters or granddaughters to Robb to be his queen to be a minor thing, do you? It implies a far more overt sanction of the rebellion than just providing troops to your overlord's family. It makes him an active participant and conspirator instead of just a guy following orders, doubtless claiming he feared retribution if he didn't supply men.

 

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Something else to consider: 

Walder promised Robb his pick from any of his female heirs.  That's a whole lot of wimminz, yo.  Between the daughters, granddaughters, great-granddaughters, Walder likely needed time to simply get them all to the twins.  Yes, it was a political and military alliance sealed by marriage, but Robb was also (at that time) the Warden of North, 15 years old.  Walder would have wanted Robb to be pleased with his wife, not just a dutiful marriage.  Not out of sentiment, but because it would have advanced House Frey's position greatly.

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2 hours ago, LindsayLohan said:

Something else to consider: 

Walder promised Robb his pick from any of his female heirs.  That's a whole lot of wimminz, yo.  Between the daughters, granddaughters, great-granddaughters, Walder likely needed time to simply get them all to the twins.  Yes, it was a political and military alliance sealed by marriage, but Robb was also (at that time) the Warden of North, 15 years old.  Walder would have wanted Robb to be pleased with his wife, not just a dutiful marriage.  Not out of sentiment, but because it would have advanced House Frey's position greatly.

Most of them already live at the Twins. The others are likely close by. That family likes to stay close, in case Walder names a different heir than expected. But you're right that he may have wanted to get a few of the scattered ones in. I took a look through the wiki at the women and girls of House Frey and found only two who don't carry the name Frey and thus stand a really good chance of living with their father's families (Vance and Goodbrook), and one who is a ward to Anya Waynwood. 

I just have this idea that as big a social climber as Walder is, he would have jumped so hard at the chance to get a queen in the family that he would have insisted on having the wedding right away, unless he was hedging his bets. He certainly could have given Robb his choice of all the girls at the Twins and he would have had plenty from which to choose, including the lovely Roslin.

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Anyone else notice the ironic parallel been Walder Frey and Hoster Tully. Walder made Robb promise to marry one of his ilk but let him go. Hoster forced Jon Arryn and Eddard Stark to marry his daughters before he would swear his swords to them. Granted it had to wait to save Robert at the Battle of the Bells but the marriage happened immediately after.

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