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Controversial moments you're not ashamed to like


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Gregor killing the Red Viper isn't really controversial in the context of the story. It was fair and square, much as I hate that it ever happened.

I guess meant controversial in the sense that Gregor has killed yet another Martell while Tywin Lannister stood idly by, further deeping the enmity between Lannister and Martell... Even if it was a fair fight, the Dornish were still very angry after Oberyn's death.

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The chapters of the Tyrion/Sansa wedding.

The author manages so well to transfer the awkwardness, embarrassment and the misery of both his characters, baring their soul with their bodies, making them helpless while they are humiliating themselves.

Exactly. The way that Sansa has to accept this marriage, and as still hopeful that Joffrey has compassion, while he continues to humiliate and threaten her. Same emotion that addresses Tyrion, and I think that is why he did not consume the marriage. In part because of sympathy for Sansa, partly to avoid being a pawn on the game of his father.

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I liked a controversial moment, but am too ashamed to admit to it.

It involves Mel, doesnt it?

Theon Turncloak and Ramsey Snow run a three way on Jeyne Poole in Ned Starks bedchamber. this was such a dark, disturbing and sick scene in so many ways. I can't believe GRRM went there but I'm glad he did because it was shocking on a whole other level and it reinforces his place as one of the most vulgar and unpredictable writers in the genre ever, IMO.

Also...

Arys Oakheart was such a boring character i was glad to see his severed head do a 360

I mentioned that one in my first post, but yeah. Its so...chilling! The moment Reek bent to his task, is the moment i went "GRRM, you are hardcore! You will not shy from the nasty details, will you? What in the world are you going to come up with next? I gotta keep reading, omfg..." Sheer brilliance. I think GRRM missed his calling as a Horror Writer. He can write some fucking terribly scary scenes! The Red Wedding was also very horror-like. Hell, just Bran's POV when Sam is coming up that cistern thing in the Night Fort is damn creepy. Even if its just Sam! We NEED more Ramsay scenes before he gets offed. Im so not joking right now.

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Sometimes I feel so bad about it, but yes, I really liked Cersei's Walk of Shame, especially after she broke down. But sometimes it can invoke sympathy as well.


I liked the killing of Little Walder. Right up to the point when I realised he was only 8 years old or so.


The killing of Joffrey, even when he suddenly became a dying 13-year-old boy again, desperate for his mother.


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  • The first night of Daenerys and Drogo. Very Hot.

The first night of Sansa and Tyrion. This and the first, mainly because they do not agree with the wedding but also be written very tempting, being too young to our standard, and apparently for the ASOIAF universe too. Moreover, although Sansa and Tyrion are protagonists, I just did not want them together, so that when Tyrion says his decision, I was relieved. Sorry Tyrion.

When Tyrion kills his father. But I did not like that he killed Shae. I will elaborate on this because I read a lot of hate towards Shae. She was a prostitute, and he knew it. All wanted their relationship work, he especially, but he knew better, and had to repeat it even more. For me it is a young woman, almost a child, who does the best he can, even occupying their sex, to survive in a man's world. And really, who believe that any woman would have done if the Hand of the King, the most powerful man in Westeros, would like it in his bed. In addition, and in defense of the possibility that Shae had feelings for Tyrion. Why not cry? Why not call the guards? If he had been caught, she would be well rewarded.

Arya when he kills the deserter. It is controversial as it at first seems cold-blooded murder. For me it was read the first chapter of Bran when Eddard executes the deserter. It is not written in the chapter, but I like to imagine the time before Arya beheaded him, saying: "In the name of Robert Baratheon, the First of his Name, King of the Andals and the Rhoynar and the First Men, Lord of the Seven Kingdoms and Protector of the Realm, by the word of Arya Stark, daughter of Eddard Stark, Lord of Winterfell and Warden of the North, I do sentence you to die".

The Northmen caged in Stoney Sept,and the accused to be a rapist, castrated and dead. Although it seems unfair that the rapist is dead before, leaving the rest to suffer even more.

Robert Baratheon slapping his wife. I know, we hate Cersei, but that was not very "kingly"

The punishment given to Cersei for the faith of the seven, not the punishment itself, but because we know she it is going to take revenge.

The misconception of cavalry having Brienne, being contradicted by almost every knight that comes their way, especially by Randyll Tarly when he say: "Go where you want and do as you will ... when you're raped but do not look to me for justice. You will have earned it with your folly". That does not mean I do not like is courage and honor, but I would like her to meet Asha, or Dany, Arya, or Sand Snake, or any Mormont girl.

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Sometimes I feel so bad about it, but yes, I really liked Cersei's Walk of Shame, especially after she broke down. But sometimes it can invoke sympathy as well.

I liked the killing of Little Walder. Right up to the point when I realised he was only 8 years old or so.

The killing of Joffrey, even when he suddenly became a dying 13-year-old boy again, desperate for his mother.

I only liked one of these. Not saying which.

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