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  1. By Odin's Beard

    The Prophecy Glitch

    "nennymoan" is just "anemone" slightly garbled and rearranged, it is a tip off that some names are anagrams or word scrambles. For example, I think the historical character Yin-Tar, who was a woman with a monkey's tail, is actually Tar-Yin--Tyrion, a evil-demon monkey who was supposed to have been born a hermaphrodite and with a tail. And bloodstone is called heliotrope, and there is a heliotrope plant called monkey tail, and therefore Tyrion will get his hands on the bloodstone. Time is a circle after all, a dragon eating its own tail, and everything is happening again. The name got garbled over the millenia. If Tyrion is a Targ, and Dany is his sister, then he will usurp her and he will be one of the Bloodstone Emperor RebornTM characters (along with Euron, and Jon). Also, Yin is associated with darkness, night time, cold, shadow, and the moon--sounds like he helps cause the Long Night rather than end it. Speaking of prophecies: "The wealth of the westerlands was matched, in ancient times, with the hunger of the Freehold of Valyria for precious metals, yet there seems no evidence that the dragonlords ever made contact with the lords of the Rock, Casterly or Lannister. Septon Barth speculated on the matter, referring to a Valyrian text that has since been lost, suggesting that the Freehold's sorcerers foretold that the gold of Casterly Rock would destroy them." Tyrion might be that gold that will destroy the last of the Valyrians. And/or it might have something to do with Tyrion getting deep in hock with the Second Sons. Either way I think this foreshadows that Dany will die, and the dragons with her and it will be because of the Lannisters.
  2. By Odin's Beard

    What is your theory on The Others?

    I start from the premise that everything Old Nan says is true, she is the crone and her wisdom lights the way. "The Crone is very wise and old, and sees our fates as they unfold." So, if she says the Others don't like iron, they don't, and it is up to us how to interpret that. Not liking iron could just mean they don't like technology, and might not have anything to do with what is fatal to them. The Starks ghosts are locked in their tombs by a sword, the Wall is a sword that locks the Others north, when the sword is removed the ghosts are free to wander. I don't want to overcomplicate this, but there was an advanced civilization on Westeros before the First Men, as mentioned in Strange Stone, who built Battle Isle and the Seastone Chair (and the Children's Tower? and what else?). Some of their technological relics might have been found and used by the First Men, steel or dragonsteel weapons among them. Also, I think the red sword of heroes is the comet, not an actual sword. And obsidian arrows might be futile--Bloodraven is believed to have guided weirwood arrows with sorcery, --could the Great Other stop arrows with sorcery? Did the CoTF knowingly give humans useless weapons?
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    The Citadel

    Recall Old Nan's story about the "the thing that came in the night" "Something was coming this way . . . maybe it was the thing that came in the night. The 'prentice boys all saw it, Old Nan said, but afterward when they told their Lord Commander every description had been different. And three died within the year, and the fourth went mad, and a hundred years later when the thing had come again, the 'prentice boys were seen shambling along behind it, all in chains. That was only a story, though. He was just scaring himself. There was no thing that comes in the night, Maester Luwin had said so. If there had ever been such a thing, it was gone from the world now, like giants and dragons." The thing that comes in the night is the Three Eyed Crow--the Great Other, we know Euron had flying dreams, he is the fourth one that the crow visited and he went mad. The 3EC is putting together his team, and they all have crow names. Bran means crow, joj means crow, Euron (vran means crow) Crow's Eye, and varis means crow. They are all in chains shambling behind the 3EC, doing his bidding. Maybe Euron thinks he can take power from the 3EC, but he is mistaken.
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    The Citadel

    He wants to become a god, the Bloodstone Emperor come again. What is a Night-Walker exactly? They are mentioned in Asshai: "The dark city by the Shadow is a city steeped in sorcery. Warlocks, wizards, alchemists, moonsingers, red priests, black alchemists, necromancers, aeromancers, pyromancers, bloodmages, torturers, inquisitors, poisoners, godswives, night-walkers, shapechangers, worshippers of the Black Goat and the Pale Child and the Lion of Night, all find welcome in Asshai-by-the-Shadow, where nothing is forbidden." "It is said that the glass candles are burning in the house of Urrathon Night-Walker" Stannis called Jon a night walker/skinchanger: "You are a warg too, they say, a skinchanger who walks at night as a wolf." Theon uses night-walker as a synonym of a ghost who cuts off genitals: " Theon answered, wondering if this could be the killer, the night walker who had stuffed Yellow Dick's cock into his mouth and pushed Roger Ryswell's groom off the battlements. " The Others are white walkers who walk at night: " Others, the terrifying "white walkers" of the Long Night " A ghost who kills people at night, a shapechanger/warg, an Other, someone with a device that gives them the power to see into people's minds. I don't think Euron hired a faceless man to kill Balon, I think that was Euron and he has learned how to change faces. "I dreamt of a man without a face, waiting on a bridge that swayed and swung. On his shoulder perched a drowned crow with seaweed hanging from his wings." Also, Urrathon, in the Wayward Bride chapter is called Urragon, and uragan means "hurricane" and "A smile played across Euron's blue lips. "I am the storm, my lord. The first storm, and the last."
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    The Citadel

    In book 1, four things are described as being faceless: the Others, the Old gods, the Faceless Men, and a heart tree with no carving. "Behind him, to right, to left, all around him, the watchers stood patient, faceless, silent, the shifting patterns of their delicate armor making them all but invisible in the wood. Yet they made no move to interfere." "but the blood of the First Men still flowed in the veins of the Starks, and his own gods were the old ones, the nameless, faceless gods of the greenwood they shared with the vanished children of the forest. " "On Braavos there is a society called the Faceless Men," "The heart tree was an oak, brown and faceless, yet Ned Stark still felt the presence of his gods."
  6. By Odin's Beard

    What is your theory on The Others?

    If the weirwood network has two personalities at war with each other inside of it, it makes sense. The Great Other is the dark, subterranean side, and Rhllor is the light side. Yin and Yang can mean "dark side of the hill" and "light side of the hill" Check out my thread on Hyrkoon the hero being based on the god Perkunas and his eternal struggle with Veles. In George's Nightfliers in the end there are two telepathic humans inside a ship's computer who struggle for dominance and it leads to odd happenings. But yes, many of the world religions are just regional variations of weirwood death worship. The religions of the Faceless Men, Lorath, Norvos, Leng, the warlocks of Qarth, and Qohor are all pretty similar, involving caves and human sacrifice (child sacrifice in hard times) and getting commands from underground gods.
  7. By Odin's Beard

    What is your theory on The Others?

    The last Long Night happened during the Bronze Age in Westeros, there were no iron weapons. At that time an iron sword would be "magical" to the First Men, in the the way Valyrian Steel is "magical" in comparison to steel swords.
  8. By Odin's Beard

    What is your theory on The Others?

    Waymar's sword: "the end splintered and twisted like a tree struck by lightning." The Other struck with such force that the metal twisted and shattered, not just shattered like a liquid nitrogen frozen sword would have. This indicates that the Others have tremendous strength and Waymar's sword wasn't that cold. But if Arthur Dayne went up against an Other and could take him in 5 moves, I think just a plain steel sword would cut through their kevlar-light-bending armor and dissolve an Other. I think the iron in obsidian is the active ingredient. And also, what about obsidian or steel tipped arrows?
  9. By Odin's Beard

    What is your theory on The Others?

    This is exactly the point I'm trying to make. If the Others are a metaphor for the cultural stasis of traditionalism--ice preserves, they have a way of life that is not open to change, therefore their tech should not have advanced. The Valyrians and Great Empire represent fire that consumes all, the unchecked progress of technology and civilization--this unchecked progress led to the destruction of their homeland in a huge explosion (nuclear holocaust?). Their weapons are technological marvels, not magic. Those are good hints that the Others were the CoTF shock troops, and humanity should focus on the real enemy, which is not the Others. Mel's black shadow was cold also, so there might be something inherent in the holographic shadow technology that is cold. "it wasn't me, it was a shadow, a terrible cold shadow." Speaking of cold swords, nobody mentioned yet that the Starks' ancestral blade is called Ice.
  10. By Odin's Beard

    What is your theory on The Others?

    Valyrian steel can cut through armor and plain steel swords, also. And the Maesters believe Dawn is a variant of Valyrian steel (or the other way around). LmL's hypothesis is that Valyrian steel is a variation of the same material as the Other's swords, and Dawn, and the Great Empire's swords. "opening Cleon the Great from shoulder to hip with one blow of his curved Valyrian arakh. Frog did not see it, but those who did claimed Cleon's copper armor rent like silk" "They came together as the battle raged around them, the king in bronze armor, the hero in silvered steel. Though the Falcon Knight's armor flashed brilliantly in the morning sun, his sword was no Lady Forlorn. The duel was done almost before it began, as the Valyrian steel sheared through the winged helm and laid the Andal low. " Granted that was copper and bronze armor not ringmail or plate, but then Valyrian swords can cut through regular swords. "The Lannister was armed with a Valyrian sword that no common steel can match, so the Little Lion was hard pressed, his shield in ruins. In the end, bleeding from a dozen grievous wounds with his own blade broken in his hand, he threw himself headlong at his foe. King Lancel cut him near in half, the singers say, but as he died the Little Lion found the gap in the king's armor beneath his arm, and plunged his dagger home." However, Dawn did not cut through the Smiling Knight's sword, but I think it could have. If Dawn is the same material as the Other's swords, that would mean that it is more advanced metallurgy than magic. "The Smiling Knight was a madman, cruelty and chivalry all jumbled up together, but he did not know the meaning of fear. And Dayne, with Dawn in hand . . . The outlaw's longsword had so many notches by the end that Ser Arthur had stopped to let him fetch a new one. "It's that white sword of yours I want," "their ancestral sword, called Dawn, and the men who wielded it. Its origins are lost to legend, but it seems likely that the Daynes have carried it for thousands of years. Those who have had the honor of examining it say it looks like no Valyrian steel they know, being pale as milkglass but in all other respects it seems to share the properties of Valyrian blades, being incredibly strong and sharp." "With dawn he tapped him on the shoulder; the pale blade was so sharp that even that light touch cut through Jaime's tunic," To the north of Westeros, blue eyed white haired creatures with special white swords. To the south of Westeros, the Daynes have purple eyes and silver hair with a special white sword. Sidenote, Jon is a "sword in the darkness" and "the light that brings the dawn" and his sword Longclaw looks like the Sword of the Morning constellation (real world Cygnus/Northern Cross) with a bright star in is hilt, as Longclaw has a white pommel, but it is a black sword. What does it all mean?
  11. By Odin's Beard

    What is your theory on The Others?

    With all of the symbolism indicating that the Others are a Kingsguard, sworn for life, and sworn to duty even after their purpose is gone, and sworn to a way of life when the rest of the world has moved on, that kinda works. That has a lot of callbacks to Dying of the Light and the Kavalaar society, stuck in their old ways and refusing to abandon tradition even into the space age--in that way the fire and ice duality is trying to strike a balance between respecting tradition but being willing to accept change and progress. But I still think the Others were created as a superweapon to destroy human civilization, but have broken their chains and are now on their own mission. The Umber sigil is a giant breaking his chains, and Mors Umber--> mors is latin for death, corpse, annihilation, and umber=umbra=shadow, and the Others are white shadows "the Greatjon's uncles, blustery men in the winter of their days with beards as white as the bearskin cloaks they wore. A crow had once taken Mors for dead and pecked out his eye, so he wore a chunk of dragonglass in its stead. As Old Nan told the tale, he'd grabbed the crow in his fist and bitten its head off, so they named him Crowfood." All white, thought to be dead, he has the crow-eye-pecking symbolism maybe indicating the Other's have their third eye open, he is attacked by a crow but kills it easily, dragonglass inserted into him but it does not kill him--and his name means death shadow, and his sigil is a giant breaking his chains. The Other's wield crystal shard swords, and Luwin says "Take a lesson, Bran. The man who trusts in spells is dueling with a glass sword. As the children did." No safe way to use magic, the children done goofed, and their creation is going to wipe them out.
  12. By Odin's Beard

    What is your theory on The Others?

    I think the Other that fought Waymar was just a very good swordsman. Waymar drew his sword first, they had a fair fight, and Waymar lost. But if Waymar had been a better swordsman and could have made contact in less than 10 moves--before his sword broke-- I am thinking he could have killed the Other with a regular iron/steel sword. Confirmed the Long Night happened during the Bronze Age, ""The children of the forest are all dead," said Mormont. "The First Men killed half of them with bronze blades, and the Andals finished the job with iron. Why a glass dagger should—" " The Andals brought iron weapons with them and suits of iron plates" " Andals began their conquest of Westeros. Their iron weapons and armor surpassed the bronze with which the First Men still fought, and many First Men perished in this war. " So the Long Night happened when there were no iron or steel swords in Westeros, except Dawn maybe. It might be that the Other's armor could not be cut by bronze swords, but obsidian and steel could cut it--that it was more like kevlar than steel plate--that would fit with my theory that it is the adaptive color-changing Chameleon Cloth from George's other stories. Compare the Other's armor: "Its armor seemed to change color as it moved; here it was white as new-fallen snow, there black as shadow, everywhere dappled with the deep grey-green of the trees. The patterns ran like moonlight on water with every step it took." with chameleon cloth: "Vikary was dressed in a mottled suit of chameleon cloth, all shades of black and blacker when he entered the circle of his enemies." "dressed in thick pants and jacket of chameleon cloth that seemed to change color as they neared." "His chameleon cloth jacket had turned the same brown as the synthawood panelling of the bulkhead behind him." "He was dressed in chameleon cloth that was somber red-gray now, flushed and feverish like the glowstone blocks of the pavement." The Other's swords are light blue like Dawn and like the swords of the Great Empire of the Dawn " In its hand was a longsword like none that Will had ever seen. No human metal had gone into the forging of that blade. It was alive with moonlight, translucent, a shard of crystal so thin that it seemed almost to vanish when seen edge-on. There was a faint blue shimmer to the thing, a ghost-light that played around its edges, and somehow Will knew it was sharper than any razor. " " the Other's danced with pale blue light. " " The pale sword bit through the ringmail beneath his arm. " " He unsheathed Dawn and held it with both hands. The blade was pale as milkglass, alive with light. " " Ghosts lined the hallway, dressed in the faded raiment of kings. In their hands were swords of pale fire. They had hair of silver and hair of gold and hair of platinum white, " and Jaime's dream sword: "Nothing can hurt me so long as I have a sword. As he raised the sword a finger of pale flame flickered at the point and crept up along the edge, stopping a hand's breath from the hilt. The fire took on the color of the steel itself so it burned with a silvery-blue light, and the gloom pulled back. " In the Stone City, duralloy is blue or blue-gray. And in Sever Times Never Kill Man, duralloy knives and duralloy machetes are mentioned. The Great Empire was a highly advanced world-spanning civilization that was deliberately collapsed from the Long Night. Dawn and the Other's swords are their technological relics. That is why I suggested that the Others were Great Empire citizens who were turned against their people, because the have Great Empire swords and the fairy elf looks of the Great Empire and Valyrian peoples. It is canon that Dawn is an extraterrestrial object, I think it is an advance metal alloy sword (duralloy) that was recovered from a crashed spaceship. What crashed at Starfall was a ship not a meteor. In The Men of Greywater Station, a falling star is actually a crashing spacecraft. And some of the place names in Dorne are suggestive of pulling things out of the sky: Skyreach, the Fowlers (bird-catchers), or things falling out of the sky: Starfall, Martell means "war-hammer" and there are several sci-fi books were asteroids are called hammers--Lucifer's Hammer, and the Hammer of God. The word "nimeri" means to "hit the target" and Nymeria is compared to an astronomical object "Do you see the white one, Quentyn? That is Nymeria's star, burning bright, and that milky band behind her, those are ten thousand ships." Ships that fall out of the sky. The castle of House of Martell's is the Sandship, a stone castle shaped like a ship.
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    What is your theory on The Others?

    Bran and Jon both remember Old Nan saying that the Others hated iron. Old Nan nodded. "In that darkness, the Others came for the first time," she said as her needles went click click click. "They were cold things, dead things, that hated iron and fire and the touch of the sun, and every creature with hot blood in its veins. Old Nan used to tell them, when he was a boy at Winterfell. He could almost hear her voice again, and the click-click-click of her needles. In that darkness, the Others came riding, she used to say, dropping her voice lower and lower. Cold and dead they were, and they hated iron and fire and the touch of the sun, and every living creature with hot blood in its veins. Theoretically, could an iron sword kill an Other if it did not shatter during the sword fight? "and his sword froze so hard the blade snapped when he tried to use it" Waymar's sword took quite a beating before it shattered in the prologue. Obsidian is black because it contains iron, is the iron in obsidian the active ingredient? The CoTF had no metalworking, so obsidian daggers would have been the only way to get iron into an Other's bloodstream. Did the last Long Night occur during the Bronze Age in Westeros, so were there iron weapons at all? Is the belief that obsidian and dragonsteel are the only things that can kill the Others a myth? "By ancient custom an iron longsword had been laid across the lap of each who had been Lord of Winterfell, to keep the vengeful spirits in their crypts." As you say the Stark ghosts also don't seem to like iron. ------- Sidebar: Obsidian/dragonglass is called "frozen fire," and in H.P. Lovecraft's The Challenge from Beyond, there were "ancient legends that called quartz crystals ice which had frozen too hard to melt again." If the obsidian can kill Others, then the crystal swords of the Others can kill fire monsters like the dragons, or Melisandre. Quartz crystal is used as a prism to make "rainbows". The Other's sword is a shard of crystal. The High Septon wears a crystal crown, and the Rainbow/Crystal swords are used by the Warrior's Sons,who are essentially his King's Guard, and Renly's King's Guard were the Rainbow Guard. The regular King's Guard is dressed in all white, with white armor. If the Others are a King's Guard, who is their King? Also, Dragonbone is black because it contains iron. And can somebody explain why is dragonbone is flexible? ------ Also, Old Nan says the Others hate hot blood, or want to drink it. But the Starks have cold blood. "Ned could never abide the heat. The Starks were made for the cold" "Finally he looked north. He saw the Wall shining like blue crystal, and his bastard brother Jon sleeping alone in a cold bed, his skin growing pale and hard as the memory of all warmth fled from him. . . . He looked deep into the heart of winter, and then he cried out, afraid, and the heat of his tears burned on his cheeks." "The thought of drowned knights under the water gave Bran the shivers. He didn't object, though; he liked the shivers." "Brandon was different from his brother, wasn't he? He had blood in his veins instead of cold water." Starks," Littlefinger said. "Here in the south, they say you are all made of ice," "Kings of Winter looked on with cold stone eyes." Is this to indicate that the Starks don't have to worry about the Others because they have cold blood. And are likely to join and/or lead the Others. "And when night falls, there are said to be ghosts, cold vengeful spirits of the north who hunger for southron blood." "Then a long cruel winter fell," said Ser Bartimus. "The White Knife froze hard, and even the firth was icing up. The winds came howling from the north and drove them slavers inside to huddle round their fires, and whilst they warmed themselves the new king come down on them. Brandon Stark this was, Edrick Snowbeard's great-grandson, him that men called Ice Eyes. He took the Wolf's Den back, stripped the slavers naked, and gave them to the slaves he'd found chained up in the dungeons. It's said they hung their entrails in the branches of the heart tree, as an offering to the gods. The old gods, not these new ones from the south. Your Seven don't know winter, and winter don't know them." That last quote really seems to suggest the Others might be liberators, that they free slaves from bondage and punish the slavers. But then there is this quote that indicates that the Starks are the "good" Others that were supposed to protect the realm from the "bad" Others. "When a wolf descends upon your flocks, all you gain by killing him is a short respite, for other wolves will come," King Garth IX said famously. "If instead you feed the wolf and tame him and turn his pups into your guard dogs, they will protect the flocks when the pack comes ravening." The Starks aren't afraid of the dark either, Bran: "Don't be afraid, I like it in the dark. No one can see you, but you can see them." "Bran knew all their tales. He had never feared the crypts" "He'd felt safe in the darkness; when you could not even find your own hand in front of your face, it was easy to believe that no enemies could ever find you either. And the stone lords had given him courage." Arya: "She used to hide in the crypts of Winterfell when she was little, and play games of come-into-my-castle and monsters and maidens amongst the stone kings on their thrones." "It was very dark right now, she realized. . . the room had begun to lighten as her eyes adjusted to the blackness. Slowly the shapes around her took on form. Huge empty eyes stared at her hungrily through the gloom, and dimly she saw the jagged shadows of long teeth. She had lost the count. She closed her eyes and bit her lip and sent the fear away. When she looked again, the monsters would be gone. Would never have been. She pretended that Syrio was beside her in the dark, whispering in her ear. Calm as still water, she told herself. Strong as a bear. Fierce as a wolverine. She opened her eyes again. The monsters were still there, but the fear was gone." And she has lived as a blind person and can find her way around in the dark "Under the temple was a maze of vaults and tunnels where even men with two good eyes were often lost, but the blind girl had learned every inch of it, and she had her stick to help her find her way should her memory falter." "Not for me. Her nights were bathed in moonlight and filled with the songs of her pack, with the taste of red meat torn off the bone, with the warm familiar smells of her grey cousins. Only during the days was she alone and blind." Arya will be well-prepared when the Long Night comes again. Jon: "I don't even dream of Ghost anymore. All my dreams are of the crypts, of the stone kings on their thrones." "the crypts where the old Stark kings sit in darkness." Finally, Theon reflecting on Bran's fall says "The gods could not kill Bran, no more than I could. It was a strange thought" To me that sounds like Bran's fall was an assassination attempt--that the gods wanted to kill Bran, but were not able to. But my theory on the Others is that they were a superweapon that the CoTF created, and then lost control of. They were Great Empire citizens who got captured by the CoTF and got mind-control shards of magical stone (Bloodstone or petrified weirwood sap) inserted into them and were sent to attack the empires of men. The Long Night was a global phenomenon, the Lion of Night attacked with his demon army in Essos, and the White Walkers came in Westeros. They successfully collapsed human civilization. How the CoTF lost control of the Others was that Bran skinchanged a human who was about to get converted into an Other and they inadvertently gave him godlike powers, and he became the Great Other. However, due to time-travel causality paradoxes, he could not change any events that would have prevented him from ending up in Bloodraven's cave. "If the little crannogman could visit the Isle of Faces, maybe I could too. All the tales agreed that the green men had strange magic powers. Maybe they could help him walk again, even turn him into a knight. They turned the little crannogman into a knight, even if it was only for a day, he thought. A day would be enough." They do turn Bran into a knight like he always wanted, but the irony is that he is trapped 8,000 years in the past, so he has had to wait around for 8,000 years for Bran to be born before he could enact his plan to destroy the weirwoods. The idea that the Others are simply misunderstood would fit with George's style, in In the House of the Worm, the evil "other" group were simply misunderstood--the Grouns were portrayed as evil monsters who capture the good guys (the Yaga-la-hai) and eat them and they have been at war with them forever. Later we find that they are not monsters, they are just a group of humans who lived deeper in the tunnels and have adapted to their surroundings, and are actually fairly peaceful, but have been terrorized by genetically engineered eater worms that the Yaga-la-hai created to destroy them. And the protagonist Annelyn tries to convince his people to end the war against the Grouns and breed with them instead. The mud pots in Guardians were similarly misunderstood and it caused an arms race that went out of control. Disaster was averted by negotiation and understanding rather than force of arms. And Greel from Dark, Dark were the Tunnels. There was a nuclear holocaust and human civ on Earth was destroyed, but the lunar colonies survived intact. However, the lunar humans needed fresh DNA because their gene pool was too small, so they came back to Earth to get it, but the Earth humans had rapidly mutated from radiation and had become hideous cave dwellers that they did not even recognize as human, they killed Greel's giant rat and then killed Greel when he attacked them, but it was a big misunderstanding--they did not know the rat was Greel's warg mind-brother and that humans in the caves had become telepathic and could see in the dark, and had become "ugly" but were still fully human. "The Others are not dead. They are strange, beautiful… think, oh… the Sidhe made of ice, something like that… a different sort of life… inhuman, elegant, dangerous." The Others are beautiful fairy people made of ice, not ice demons.
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    What is your theory on The Others?

    From Tuf Voyaging: "Skrymir sent a stocky man with a square red face and hair the color of mountain ice. His eyes were a crystalline blue that matched the color of his scaled metal shirt." He kinda sounds like an Other. Skrymir is an ice planet from the 1000 worlds. And the language of the Others is called Skroth. Do people from Skrymir speak Skroth? The real Skrymir was an Ice Giant from Norse mythology, also called Utgard-Loki, and he was a trickster and master of illusion--he tricks Thor into thinking he is much more powerful than he really is. There is another Ice Planet called Ymir, and that is where the blue winter roses are from. Ymir is the original Ice Giant from Norse mythology. "The little blue ones are the bitterblooms. They flower even in the bitterest cold, so that’s why they call them that. Originally they came from a world named Ymir, very far off, where they have winters nearly as long and cold as we do. The other flowers are from Ymir too, the ones that grow on the vines around the ship. Those are called frostflowers." "Even as a child, Holt had loved the stars. He used to walk at night, during the years of high cold when the iceforests bloomed on Ymir. Straight out he would go, for kilometers, crunching the snow beneath until the lights of town were lost behind him and he stood alone in the glistening blue-white wonderland of frost-flowers and icewebs and bitterblooms. Then he would look up. WinterYear nights on Ymir are clear and still and very black. There is no moon. The stars and the silence are everything." From that same paragraph as the guy from Skrymir: "The envoy from the Azure Triune moved within a haze of holographic projections, a dim, fractured, shifting shape that spoke in an echoey whisper." That sounds a little like Mel's shadow baby. Was the shadow baby a holographic projection? We know she is a charlatan, and her counterpart Morgan from Bitterblooms was a regular person who found some advanced tech and used it to fool people into believing she was magical.
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    Why was Harrenhal built?

    You would think so, but Winterfell has the same deal, extensive underground levels and Winterfell has natural springs and pools at ground level and geothermal features why aren't the crypts filled with hot water? And Braavos is built on a lagoon but the House of Black and White has many sublevels and the original vaults for the Iron Bank were abandoned iron mines--on a lagoon? "With every step the air seemed to grow a little colder. When her count reached thirty she knew that they were under even the canals." And Lorath is on a island with many sublevels in the maze, but that is probably below sea-level.
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