longest night

1 minute ago, #teamNightking said:

It sounds like he screams go! But it looks like he's yelling at Viserion to go. Like trying to tame him. Silly Targaryan. Not possible to tame a wight dragon. 

Not buying the Arya thing. 

There's a psychological phenomenon where people hear what they want to hear.

1 hour ago, Lyanna<3Rhaegar said:

I read an article today that says when stood up & yelled at Viserion he was yelling "GOOOOOOO" at Arya, distracting the dragon while Arya went by & that you can see some sort of fluttering or movement indicating Arya ran by. 

Can any one confirm or debunk that? I didn't see it but I couldn't see much because it was so dark & most certainly wouldn't have seen a small movement. I also didn't know what Jon was yelling. 

It's more useless headcanon, subtitles says he  yells "Yarrggh" or some crap.

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6 hours ago, Coffeewiththegods said:

How epic would it have been to see a 7 on 7 between the white walker generals and Brienne,jamie,Jon,Jorah, Arya, Sandor and beric

I posted this in another thread.

I really wish the writers would have wrote really good strategies to defeat the dead, actually have Winterfell winning. That would have forced the white walkers to move to the forefront to stop the massacre of their forces, and then we could have had a lot of the major characters fight off with them with some actual deaths.

The whole battle could culminate with them slowly losing and being overwhelmed since the walkers would put out the fires stopping the dead, and then the Night King flanking them with the major force of his army from the opposite direct, crushing everything in its path. That would then cause all the survivors to flee through the crypts.

The other option is if they wanted to finish it then and there, would be let some of the heroes and Jon face a group of the white walkers and the Night King. The generals falling and the heroes falling, one of them Arya. It is then Jon against the Night King, and the Night King is clearly better, and up from behind comes Arya, stabbing the NK in the neck with her dagger, allowing Jon to recover and finish the Night King with a blow.

Yes, a sort of mirror of the Tower of Joy battle.

A group effort to the end of the threat, and Jon still able to finish his story arc against the Others. It would also let all the Valyrian steel to be put to good use.

1 hour ago, Adam_Up_Bxtch said:

I still find it funny that people thought Jaime was going to die in this battle. Like with Arya, Jaime's story had not been close to the White Walkers til the end of last season so seeing him go down against those whose story he was thrust into last minute makes no sense before the build up between him and Cersei was concluded

Jaime's story is his redemption arc. He completed it.

Just now, daveyboy79 said:

The director does a shot of the survivors once Arya does her thing, you can see Gilly and little Sam on the right side.

Only question I have is where is Ghost and is there now one or two living dragons?

Both Ghost and the dragons are in the preview for next episode.

1 minute ago, Greenmonsterff said:

I think Bran and Arya were somehow in cahoots. He went into white eye mode for a long time, and just came out when NK was a few feet away to tell Theon he was a good boy, etc. He had to have been working something out to help save the day.

The only thing we saw Bran warg were some ravens.

12 minutes ago, LucyMormont said:

But the point is to have the prophecy fulfilled in an unexpected way, showing why prophecies and visions are a "dangerous thing", as Mel had to learn the hard way. But when you  make  them impregnate the whole story, only to drop them in  the last minute, that's just crappy writing. That's to mock your viewers.  They 've thrown through the window the whole Jon's arc, and also Bran's. I don't know what Bran purpose was. I feel cheated.

As far as I'm aware, in the show who brought the PtwP prophecies was Mel, not Rhaegar. And her visions in past seasons DID happen, only that not in the way she expected. She saw "a great victory outside Winterfell" in the flames, and that happened, but not when she saw it and not with Stannis. THIS is the way to treat prophecies, not what they've done now.

Yep, one has to actually show how the prophecies were fulfilled incorrectly. The books do this with Melissandre interpreting Stannis as Azor Ahai, and as Stannis is marching on Winterfell, she can "only see Snow" when looking for him in the flames. Meaning the visions led her to Jon through Stannis.

Everyone knows what happened with D&D's choice. The fans knew it was Jon that was TPTWP, and they knew that because of the book readers. Unlike GRRM, who said he would never change things because they correctly guess something, D&D did just that. They chose Arya because it would be "unexpected", their words. So now instead of the slow build up of Jon's story arc leading him to the confrontion of D&D's Night King, we get Deus ex Arya. Often the expected happening is story fulfillment of what is promised by the author.

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22 minutes ago, Talking Hodor said:

I also don't think Daenerys is going to turn into an evil character. She was altruistic and had Jon's back the entire time. She even did a little fighting herself to help out her friend Jorah at the end.

Where else is there to go with the story? Three episode of Cersei? The vision of Daenerys of the throne room is still a giant elephant in the room and now we know it has nothing to do with the Others invading King's Landing. There's Bran's visions of Drogon flying over a smoking King's Landing as well.

6 minutes ago, Nightwish said:

 

Honestly I think that all these are valid questions but none of this has an answer. Fans are reading too much into script and YouTube with all the fan theories and discussions, everybody looking for clues even inside NK’s eye is just too much, it hasn’t helped.

Sure one of ten theories may come alive especially the ones that are foreshadowed in the books like Johns parents or perhaps Tyrion’s betrayal but from a point on nothing means more than what it means. It’s a show. Apparently they invest on effects so the rest is history. They are not going to answer every detail. 

I am definitely not attempting to theorize. I won't theorize the TV show because I know they are bad writers. Those questions are just so damn obvious, I am wondering how the writing could be this bad,

There's just a various number of questions I have.

1. Why did Bran need Jon to know about his father and mother right at that moment? Wouldn't that indicate his birth was important to the upcoming battle or the defeat of the Night King? Which is exactly what was suppose to have happened. Yet here we are, nothing from it. 
2. Why has every vision that Bran has had to specifically to do with Jon? Yet again, nothing came of it.
3. Why was Bran waiting for Jaime, yet Jaime had no major part in the War for the Dawn?
4. What was Bran doing exactly when he warged those ravens? We never actually saw him do anything, but he stayed that way for awhile.
5. Where is Yohn Royce and the knights of the Vale? Last we saw him he was with Sansa.
6. Why did so many major characters survive?
7. Why is Bran alive if his character arc is complete?

59 minutes ago, Amaretto said:

What happened to Yohn Royce and the Vale army in this episode? Did they finally go home to their Lord?

I've been wondering that since the preview of episode 3. It only ever showed Vale infantry The last we saw Royce was when he excused himself during a meeting with Sansa.

Remember folks, Arya just committed genocide because all the young white walkers in the Land That's Always Winter shattered into ice as well.

17 minutes ago, ferrelhadley said:

That was the point of Aegon's journey to Dragonstone in series 7. 

That's the point. They would get the pitch by getting what they need.

22 minutes ago, ferrelhadley said:

And where would they have gotten that much pitch. What happens about 30 minutes later when its burnt out. 

Where did they get a shit ton of dragonglass? They've been preparing this battle for months. 30 minutes could kill a hell of a lot of wights since you wait for them to walk on the pitch before you set it ablaze. 

1 minute ago, Error-504 said:

That simply isn't true. what your upset about is the fact neither of them was the one to kill the NK. And that is the part people fail to understand. You don't have to be the one that kills the NK to be instrumental in allowing that to happen. It was a collective effort, need to stop being so fixated on who delivered the kill shot. 

You really sound like you don't understand story and character arc progression.

3 minutes ago, FireWinds said:

Yeah, like keep those catapults going! Have multiple walls of fire to get through before even being near the castle. Hell set the whole damn forest alight, at least you could see them coming. 

Dothraki shouldn't have been the first wave, they're on horse that can easily be taken down by the dead. 

It also annoyed me that the wall was not manned. 

Not much organization at all besides 1 trench. I expected some surprise tactics (like Ramseys plans with Battle of the Bastards). Especially with Tyrion and Sansa being there, supposedly being the brains of the operation. 

The entire ground should have been absolutely covered in pitch all around Winterfell. Set the damn whole undead army on fire. Have lots of archers just raining hell upon them. Screw putting foot soldiers and cavalry against them on open field. They should have used the unsullied to prevent the undead from ever getting past a giant massive burning moat. The Dothraki should have been skirmishing from the sides with bows, kiting them around.

33 minutes ago, SansaJonRule said:

 

Maybe D&D thought that was too "tropey".

Jon did kill a lot of wights, and I'm okay with more focus on the other main characters fighting. Especially the ones we won't be seeing anymore.

Where should the catapults have been?

I was wondering why there weren't more soldiers on the ramparts. But if they were packed someone else would be complaining that there were too many because being swarmed by undead soldiers made it too difficult to get replacements up there.

Heck, I'm a woman and I know burning pitch was a common tactic.

LOL!! It was at night, people. If it had been too light, you'd be complaining it was not realistic enough!

The catapults and trebuchets should be inside the keep. They fired the things once and they were done. 

The entirety of Bran and Jon's story arcs is built around the Others and fighting the Others. Jon's entire parentage is built around it, an entire war was started for Jon to exist so Rhaegar could bring in the prince that was promised. Jon had his entire story arc from joining the Night's Watch, to rising to Lord Commander, to king in the North... All to defeat the Others.

All of it was all thrown out the window to a character that had no relation, had no idea what the threat was.

3 minutes ago, Wolfkin said:

What happened to direwolf, Summer? I can't remember him being killed off (but that could just be my tired brain at the moment). 

Died by lack of budget when the white walkers invaded Bran's cave.

There were multiple fake leaks that pretty much predicted all the deaths this episode, even that Ed would die first. That's how damn predictable this episode was. How does the War for the Dawn end with such little sacrifice?

5 minutes ago, Ilissa said:

It is not about male/female. It is about Targaryen's blood. The prince that was promised must be Targaryen according to the prophecy.

I would actually argue it is male, because the oldest record of the prophecy is from Asshai and there's no indication that in their language the word for prince is gender neutral. The High Valyrian version would be a translation itself. Rhaegar seemed to believe it's Aegon the Conqueror reborn, so male in that regard as well.

49 minutes ago, Chloe.a.thomson said:

So now where does this all leave Danys vision from The House of The Undying?

KL throne room destroyed? Snow falling in?

The aftermath of a siege?

She is unable to touch the throne because snow is on it. It represents Jon Snow. The vision of the dragon flying over a smoking King's Landing also isn't the Night King as some people kept assuming. Though I've pointed out that particular theory is impossible because there was no blizzard.