Karl Tanner and Locke Appreciation thread (Show Spoilers)

[Ser Desmond Wine's Bane]

I liked Gorman, I just thought the production overdid Karl's villainy.

Noah Taylor as Locke, on the other hand, is probably my favourite change from the books. I always thought Hoat was problematic, but Taylor brought the A Game and completely sold it. Unfortunately, as an added character his demise was a bit of a let down. Here's hoping Taylor gets a lot more deserved recognition now.

[TommenFoolery]

They both did great jobs, but I was disappointed with Locke's death. He should have stuck around, maybe

stabbing Jon along with Bowen.

Have we met

Bowen Marsh in the show yet?

[avernite]

I would assume that the people choreographing the fight are experts, as well.

I would think so, but I expect a director to decide Jon-Karl should be an interesting close fight, rather than asking the choreographers to make the most realistic fight they can imagine between a knife dual-wielder and a longsword wielder. Jon barely used his reach.

[Stannis Eats No Peaches]

Have we met

Bowen Marsh in the show yet?

I think he was with Thorne and Slynt when they were questioning Jon.

[Hard Hugh]

Until I see a burnt body.....I am not counting Locke 100% out. Being dead is no so definate beyond the wall.

[DaveyJoe]

^ It would be neat if he became a Wight when they were getting ready to burn the corpses. "The FUCK you doing to my body??"

[Rhaegar I Targaryen]

They did an outstanding job with these two. Only their demise was disappointing for me.

Karl I loved to hate, Locke I pretty much loved in general (no condoning his sadist acts). I thought Locke was pretty funny.

Locke went too soon, Karl I still feel like shouldn't have owned Jon in the fight. I did enjoy Craster's daughter/wife stabbing him though, he had that coming.

[Benjaario Starkharis]

They did an outstanding job with these two. Only their demise was disappointing for me.

Karl I loved to hate, Locke I pretty much loved in general (no condoning his sadist acts). I thought Locke was pretty funny.

Locke went too soon, Karl I still feel like shouldn't have owned Jon in the fight. I did enjoy Craster's daughter/wife stabbing him though, he had that coming.

I liked that they made Jon lose the fight. Let someone be a better fighter than him for once instead of turning him into Aragorn.

[Ser Desmond Wine's Bane]

I liked that they made Jon lose the fight. Let someone be a better fighter than him for once instead of turning him into Aragorn.

Its one of the things that has been missing from Show Jon. He isn't a 'badass'. He is still a boy who is learning. Before the fight at the Mill in S3, the only people he had 'beaten' were completely untrained boys in the training yard at CB and an old Ranger who let him win.

I am surprised at people lamenting the lack of 'badassery' here. He killed a few unprepared drunks then was beaten in a fight that he should had range advantage. It fits with where Jon is at ATM.

[Hard Hugh]

^ It would be neat if he became a Wight when they were getting ready to burn the corpses. "The FUCK you doing to my body??"

I still have this inkling crackpot suspician that they put in this much time with the actor so that he would become Coldhands. Although him attacking Bran and being known to him kind of puts a Squish to the theory.

[DaveyJoe]

I still have this inkling crackpot suspician that they put in this much time with the actor so that he would become Coldhands. Although him attacking Bran and being known to him kind of puts a Squish to the theory.

If they can find anyway to keep Noah Taylor around it would help alleviate the major disappointment of his death.

[Hard Hugh]

If they can find anyway to keep Noah Taylor around it would help alleviate the major disappointment of his death.

I just wish he had 6 fingers on his right hand :)

[DaveyJoe]

I just wish he had 6 fingers on his right hand :)

http://37.media.tumblr.com/59410a600894a6ead79d3c5ad9a67a2a/tumblr_mlo8g6v1iB1qax6dyo1_500.jpg

[Hard Hugh]

http://37.media.tumblr.com/59410a600894a6ead79d3c5ad9a67a2a/tumblr_mlo8g6v1iB1qax6dyo1_500.jpg

Nice :)

[Ser Desmond Wine's Bane]

I just wish he had 6 fingers on his right hand :)

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m98oo2GxKQ1rev29ao1_500.gif

[Presenteira]

Jaime, Jon and Brienne are not supposed to be fencers, they're War of the Roses era warriors using lonsgwords. Sport fencing is a renaissance/modern mock combat sport, it is not combat. With all due respect I think you have the last part of your comment the wrong way round. The choreographers will be experts in medieval era combat (actual fighting). Good essay on the subject if you're interested - http://www.thearma.org/essays/Longsword_Differs_From_Modern_Fencing.html#.U2jir_ldX38 - "modern fencing includes no equivalent system of fighting to that of the longsword"

I said I practiced sport fencing AND HEMA wich means Historical European Martial Arts, that is fencing with historical swords such as rapiers and longswords. My opinion was based on my knowledge of historical fencing, wich focuses on historical combat techniques, both by researching ancient sources, like medieval and modern treaties and through actual fighting to test the most effective ways to kill your oponent. So, yeah, I'm aware that modern sport fencing is not the same as longsword fencing.

This is an example of what I'm talking about:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NCvm0pC_r8

[sj4iy]

Its one of the things that has been missing from Show Jon. He isn't a 'badass'. He is still a boy who is learning. Before the fight at the Mill in S3, the only people he had 'beaten' were completely untrained boys in the training yard at CB and an old Ranger who let him win.

I am surprised at people lamenting the lack of 'badassery' here. He killed a few unprepared drunks then was beaten in a fight that he should had range advantage. It fits with where Jon is at ATM.

^This. He even states in the book that he isn't equal to the sword he wields, therefore he practices everyday with it. He's also bested by Mance after that. I don't get where people think he's some sort of sword master, because even in the show a few episodes back, he said that Robb was better than him at everything, including fighting. He has a lot to learn and this was a learning experience for him. He was better than the kids who had never held a sword before, but that doesn't mean he's better than a professional assassin.

[DaveyJoe]

He's also bested by Mance after that.

I was about to correct you and say that was Rattleshirt but I caught myself at the last moment. :lol:

[sj4iy]

I was about to correct you and say that was Rattleshirt but I caught myself at the last moment. :lol:

I hope that we get to see that scene in the show. I absolutely loved it in the book.

[Rhaegar I Targaryen]

Its one of the things that has been missing from Show Jon. He isn't a 'badass'. He is still a boy who is learning. Before the fight at the Mill in S3, the only people he had 'beaten' were completely untrained boys in the training yard at CB and an old Ranger who let him win.

I am surprised at people lamenting the lack of 'badassery' here. He killed a few unprepared drunks then was beaten in a fight that he should had range advantage. It fits with where Jon is at ATM.

Well Karl was probably the drunkest out of all the mutineers, to be fair.

I liked that they made Jon lose the fight. Let someone be a better fighter than him for once instead of turning him into Aragorn.

He looked more like Paris from Troy, weeeeak! :whip: