The Sleeper Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Don't seem to be many ways this could come about, but it seems the only way Stannis can reconcile his claim to the pursuits of the Northmen. Marry Shireen to Bran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bold Barry Whitebeard Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Bran is crippled and can't father children. He would have to marry her to Rickon, or possibly Jon Snow depending on how things play out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sleeper Posted June 10, 2014 Author Share Posted June 10, 2014 He is Robb's heir and universally acceptable by the northmen. It also reconciles Stannis' claim with Bran's claim as King in the North ( at least some Northmen would want to pursue this). Bran might even sway the riverlands on Stannis side. This isn't the case neither with Rickon nor with Jon. As for children, maybe, maybe not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The hairy bear Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Even if Stannis produced Bran or Rickon now, not everyone would believe him. It's far easier to swallow that after Eddard's downfall the Lannisters kept "Arya" as a prisoner, than to believe that after the Ironborn killed the boys and put their heads on spikes (a "fact" that was believed by family, bannermen and everyone at Winterfell), they suddenly reappear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batbob45 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 They believe Bran and rickon are real and alive if they see them with their Direwolves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoamingRonin Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Even if Stannis produced Bran or Rickon now, not everyone would believe him. It's far easier to swallow that after Eddard's downfall the Lannisters kept "Arya" as a prisoner, than to believe that after the Ironborn killed the boys and put their heads on spikes (a "fact" that was believed by family, bannermen and everyone at Winterfell), they suddenly reappear. Ain't no one gonna deny a boy that looks part-Tully and owns a direwolf. That direwolf is better than a DNA test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Ravens Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Even if Stannis produced Bran or Rickon now, not everyone would believe him. It's far easier to swallow that after Eddard's downfall the Lannisters kept "Arya" as a prisoner, than to believe that after the Ironborn killed the boys and put their heads on spikes (a "fact" that was believed by family, bannermen and everyone at Winterfell), they suddenly reappear. Summer and Shaggy Dog would provide definitive proof that Bran and Rickon are the real deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sleeper Posted June 10, 2014 Author Share Posted June 10, 2014 Even if Stannis produced Bran or Rickon now, not everyone would believe him. It's far easier to swallow that after Eddard's downfall the Lannisters kept "Arya" as a prisoner, than to believe that after the Ironborn killed the boys and put their heads on spikes (a "fact" that was believed by family, bannermen and everyone at Winterfell), they suddenly reappear. Not really, Arya was presumed dead for quite a while before Bolton produced Jeyne Pool. Even if there wasn't Summer, Bran actually held court in Winterfell up until Theon. There is a number of northern lords who have met him personally. It would be quite impossible to refute his identity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Ravens Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Double ninjad by Batbob45 and RoamingRonin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoamingRonin Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Stannis just needs to help the north to gain their help. Not every alliance needs to be secured with a marriage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sleeper Posted June 10, 2014 Author Share Posted June 10, 2014 Stannis just needs to help the north to gain their help. Not every alliance needs to be secured with a marriage. He wants their allegiance not their help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collis Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Give them their Vengeance. It's what they want. Kill the Boltons. Kill the Freys. Kill the Lannisters. It's as easy as A,B, C... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PirateVergo Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Marry Shireen to Bran. Unless the Baratheon betray R'hllor for the old gods, then no Stark will accept to marry Shireen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sleeper Posted June 10, 2014 Author Share Posted June 10, 2014 Give them their Vengeance. It's what they want. Kill the Boltons. Kill the Freys. Kill the Lannisters. It's as easy as A,B, C... And then it would be thank you and good bye and have a nice life. Besides he has 1500 soldiers how is he supposed to do that? If predominantly northern troops do it then they would be doing it themselves. What's the point of Stannis then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sleeper Posted June 10, 2014 Author Share Posted June 10, 2014 Unless the Baratheon betray R'hllor for the old gods, then no Stark will accept to marry Shireen. Marriage between people of different religions has never been a problem before. Besides Bran doesn't need to be married before the old gods. He is one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Man Reads Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Marry Shireen to Bran. I have a feeling Stannis proposing Shireen may be seen in a similar light to Tywin proposing Tyrion. They come from strong families and have good prospects. But it may still be considered an insult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormland's Fury Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Stannis doesn't win the North. The North wins Stannis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoamingRonin Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 He wants their allegiance not their help. Remember when he sent out ravens demanding fealty and got owned by a little girl? Make no mistake: Stannis is a broke beggar. Once Jon taught him how to win over the north, he was able to gain the help of the mountain clans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormland's Fury Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 How is it begging when the other party just gets as much from the deal as him? Clearly they can't get rid of the Boltons on their own or otherwise they would have done it. He was broken after Blackwater, but now he seems to be in a surprisingly good mood despite the odds. I'd say he's far from broken as of recent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sleeper Posted June 10, 2014 Author Share Posted June 10, 2014 Remember when he sent out ravens demanding fealty and got owned by a little girl? Make no mistake: Stannis is a broke beggar. Once Jon taught him how to win over the north, he was able to gain the help of the mountain clans. That is the whole point. He needs a Stark. Nothing less will do than his heir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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