Salafi Stannis Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 If Tommen dies, who inherits the IT, Stannis or Myrcella? Obviously Stannis is the rightful king, but only a handful of people know that, and we know that in this case brothers come before daughters, as Renly said he was fourth in line, behind Joffrey, Tommen and Stannis, with Myrcella not being mentioned. But I don't think they would hand the IT to a supposed traitor and rebel. So what would happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaegal Targaryen Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 If Tommen dies, who inherits the IT, Stannis or Myrcella? We know that in this case brothers come before daughters, as Renly said he was fourth in line, behind Joffrey, Tommen and Stannis, with Myrcella not being mentioned. But I don't think they would hand the IT to a supposed traitor and rebel. So what would happen? Probably Myrcella but if she dies then the IT has to pass to Stannis and if he dies too,to Shireen.If she also dies then the IT passes to cadet branches of House Baratheon.Hope i made my self clear :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burning down the House Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Myrcella. The End. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assjfjgjsgjljljglgjfjsduar Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Myrcella. Even if the Baratheons stuck to the males-before-females succession (which I imagine they did; the show, for what it's worth, corroborates this), Stannis would have been attainted and removed from the succession as a traitor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryanfury Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Assuming sisters inherit before male uncles/cousins and the removal of Baratheons from claim: Myrcella The interesting part is who Myrcella's heir is. Lannister or Florent? Tyrell or Martell? Cersei? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assjfjgjsgjljljglgjfjsduar Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Assuming sisters inherit before male uncles/cousins and the removal of Baratheons from claim: Myrcella The interesting part is who Myrcella's heir is. Lannister or Florent? Tyrell or Martell? Cersei? They'd have to find another non-attainted Baratheon-line claimant, or else hold another council to determine who would succeed her. The Lannisters, Tyrells and Florents would have no claim because they aren't Baratheons, they only married into the Baratheons. The Martells could plausibly make a claim based on being Targaryens, but then that defeats the purpose of the Baratheons being the royal house. However, the Martells might be the next-best relation to the Baratheons, too. You'd just have to examine the family tree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryanfury Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 They'd have to find another non-attainted Baratheon-line claimant, or else hold another council to determine who would succeed her. The Lannisters, Tyrells and Florents would have no claim because they aren't Baratheons, they only married into the Baratheons. The Martells could plausibly make a claim based on being Targaryens, but then that defeats the purpose of the Baratheons being the royal house. However, the Martells might be the next-best relation to the Baratheons, too. You'd just have to examine the family tree. Which is what makes it so interesting. Run out of Baratheons and we're left with a bunch of families married into the Baratheons, and a few outliers who married into the Targs generations ago. Gets to the point where paper claims start looking pretty weak in the face of "Accept me as king or I'll stab your face". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castellan Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 By the time both Tommen and Mycella died things would be pretty chaotic anyway. Opportunities all around for anyone who could be bothered seizing a throne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mb2518 Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Shireen is one option. She and Edric can both make a claim through Baratheon-Florent relations. Edric, however, is a son of Robert's by another noble house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Warning Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Myrcella. If she dies without issue then the throne would likely pass to some unnamed Baratheon, or alternatively a great council could be called. This is assuming that someone doesn't make a powerplay, it depends on who has the most power and influence in King's Landing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guy Garlan Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Wouldn't the bastards have a claim in such a case? I mean, Ramsay was Roose's heir before he was legitimized, so wouldn't it work the same way for the Iron Throne? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel Green Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Wouldn't the bastards have a claim in such a case? I mean, Ramsay was Roose's heir before he was legitimized, so wouldn't it work the same way for the Iron Throne? Ramsay wasn't Roose's heir before he was legitimized; hence, why legitimization was necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Warning Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Wouldn't the bastards have a claim in such a case? I mean, Ramsay was Roose's heir before he was legitimized, so wouldn't it work the same way for the Iron Throne?Their claim would be worth diddly unless a powerful lord wanted to use them as a figurehead for gaining more power and even then probably only Edric. The Tyrells would probably oppose him because of his Florent connection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archmaester Drew Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 I started this thread a few days ago on this question if you are interested: http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/116089-who-is-tommens-rightful-heir/ It's all a matter of perspective in the end. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Doe Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Afaik a bastard has no claim unless legitimized, but a great council coud legitimize him, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guy Garlan Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Ramsay wasn't Roose's heir before he was legitimized; hence, why legitimization was necessary. From the wiki: A bastard may inherit if the father has no other trueborn children nor any other likely kin to follow him. Two years prior to the beginning of the War of the Five Kings, Roose Bolton brought Ramsay to the Dreadfort and made him his heir as Roose had no other sons, trueborn or otherwise. I think the legitimization just cements their status, but I guess they do can inherit ETA: Ramsay is not the only case. Daemon Sand is also the heir of House Allyrion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryanfury Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 From the wiki: A bastard may inherit if the father has no other trueborn children nor any other likely kin to follow him. Two years prior to the beginning of the War of the Five Kings, Roose Bolton brought Ramsay to the Dreadfort and made him his heir as Roose had no other sons, trueborn or otherwise. I think the legitimization just cements their status, but I guess they do can inherit ETA: Ramsay is not the only case. Daemon Sand is also the heir of House Allyrion To go even further, Rolland Storm is considered by the Iron Throne a pretender to the Nightsong and the Marches, because he's the only known member of House Caron left after his brother dies at the battle of the Blackwater. Had Stannis won, Rolland would have out and out inherited those titles (and could very well be considered Lord of Nightsong and the Marches under Stannis anyway). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guy Garlan Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 To go even further, Rolland Storm is considered by the Iron Throne a pretender to the Nightsong and the Marches, because he's the only known member of House Caron left after his brother dies at the battle of the Blackwater. Had Stannis won, Rolland would have out and out inherited those titles (and could very well be considered Lord of Nightsong and the Marches under Stannis anyway). Which means Edric Storm could very well pick up the good fight, should Stannis and Shireen die Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rorey Targaryen Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Ser Pounce, Myrcella, Stannis, Shireen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game Of Thrones Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Probably Myrcella but if she dies then the IT has to pass to Stannis and if he dies too,to Shireen.If she also dies then the IT passes to cadet branches of House Baratheon.Hope i made my self clear :D Never. Stannis is attainted, so there would be a Great Council. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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