sj4iy Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Do you think Jon Snow is under any obligation to return the sword back to House Mormont at any point? My vote is no. LC Mormont gave him the sword once his own son relinquished claim to it. Jon has proven worthy of the sword and has absolutely no obligation to ever return the sword to House Mormont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Civility Reigns Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Perhaps one day it will be necessary to give the sword back to the Mormonts, as an act of peace or to reward a worthy heir. Or, as family heirloom custom dictates, a young Mormont hero will kill Jon and take back what is rightfully his. Until then, I agree that Jon doesn't have any real obligation to give the sword back, and in fact it would make a better Quentin Tarantino movie if he didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis's birthright Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 If Jorah had a child or any of the Lady Mormonts put forth a claim I think Jon should consider it .. This isn't just Lord Mormonts sword but his family's as well ., in fact I would think he was in the wrong to just give it away for whatever reason without consulting his heir . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robb_Warged Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Nah. He's earned it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight Owl Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Jon has more than earned the sword. Furthermore, while the sword has historically been an heirloom of house Mormont, the legitimate holder of the sword can decide who the bequeath it to. Lady Forlorn for example was given to the younger Corbray, and while it still stayed in the Corbray family, it certainly didn't follow the traditional inheritance path. Aegon the Unworthy gave the legendary Blackfyre to his bastard son Daemon. What i'm seeing here is that the rightful owner of a Valyrian sword certainly seems to have the right to give it to whomever they wish. The remaining Mormonts can harbor a grudge if they wish, but Jeor saw Jon as a worthy of the sword, and his judgement should be trusted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archmaester Drew Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 I think that Jon has every right to keep Longclaw, but he will give it to Jorah when he acquires Lightbringer, and Jorah will become the new Lord Commander of the Night's Watch. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight Owl Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 I think that Jon has every right to keep Longclaw, but he will give it to Jorah when he acquires Lightbringer, and Jorah will become the new Lord Commander of the Night's Watch. :) I wouldn't mind seeing that, but what if Longclaw becomes Lightbringer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warrewal Halfaxe Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Arryn Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Doing so would imply Jeor acted improperly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Second To Last Dragon Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 I wouldn't mind seeing that, but what if Longclaw becomes Lightbringer?that's a whole new can of wyrms, brother Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cocoalover1956 Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 I think he's earned Longclaw, but I'd prefer if he gave it back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new djinn Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Brienne earn Oathkeeper and Tommen deserves Widow's Wail. So Jon should keep it, it isn't his fault the Mormonts are among the dumbest families of Westeros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Viserys Targaryen IV Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 I think Jon is the kind of person that will return Longclaw because he will never think he deserves it. Just like he felt about Winterfell.Admittedly, I think he will have Dark Sister (Lightbringer) so the decision to return it will be an easy one.Now I don't think Jorah will take the black because I don't think the Night's Watch will be still intact by the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Visenya Stark Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 No, Jon shouldn't give it back. He's earned it through his own merits. As said by someone already, the owner of the sword gets to decide who it goes to, and Jeor chose Jon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Lee knot Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Perhaps one day it will be necessary to give the sword back to the Mormonts, as an act of peace or to reward a worthy heir. Or, as family heirloom custom dictates, a young Mormont hero will kill Jon and take back what is rightfully his. Until then, I agree that Jon doesn't have any real obligation to give the sword back, and in fact it would make a better Quentin Tarantino movie if he didn't. This is the perfect answer. Maybe one day in the future if a worthy heir to the Mormont household comes along then sure, it may be a good idea. But for now there is no point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Arryn Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Whattya mean one day?House Mormont has at present both a head and an heir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Lee knot Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Whattya mean one day?House Mormont has at present both a head and an heir.Obviously right now is not a good time. Jon has a lot to do and can't be bothered to go find the Mormonts and give them back a sword that he might well need. The heir to Bare Island is currently 2 years old also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Arryn Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Obviously right now is not a good time. Jon has a lot to do and can't be bothered to go find the Mormonts and give them back a sword that he might well need. The heir to Bare Island is currently 2 years old also.What? I thought she was old enough to send out angry ravens. And I wasn't pushing for it to happen; I don't think it should. But I just don't get the 'one day an heir' when the house has both head and heir as we speak.(You know what I mean by angry ravens, right? Can this become a thing?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Eater Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 It was given to him by Jeor Mormont, and the Mormonts haven't had any complaints. If Jon gets another Valyrian steel sword, say Dark Sister and/or Blackfyre, then he would give Longclaw back to the Mormonts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archmaester Drew Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 I wouldn't mind seeing that, but what if Longclaw becomes Lightbringer? I think that Lightbringer will be Ice reforged. Here is my theory, if you are interested: http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/115924-will-ice-become-the-new-lightbringer/ :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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