David Selig Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 If you don't get a famous sword for killing a zombie that hasn't been seen for over lets say 1000 years what do you get a famous sword for? Being a Chosen One and a special snowflake, duh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arya Targaryen Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Legitimised bastards are part of the House. That's the whole point of legitimisation. Yeah, that's why he is called Daemon Targaryen. Oh wait... He is Daemon BLACKFYRE, not Targaryen. I also missed the part in the books where Bloodraven became Brynden Targaryen. Instead, he is still called B. Rivers. And guess what, noone seems to wonder what happened to Dark Sister. If the Targs wanted it back as a family sword, they would have taken it when he was sent to prison or sent to the NW. And someone who joins the NW ceases to be part of his House. That's why Jeor left Bear Island and his family sword with Jorah. After Jorah left, Maege kept the Island but gave the sword back to Jeor - that means that the land and the sword are separate things. Nobody in the books ever said that Valyrian swords cannot be given away, and must always stay in the family. Only selling it for money seems to be unhonorable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmarshal Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Yes, it is house Mormonts, Jeor was acting idiotic in giving it to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arya Targaryen Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 If you don't get a famous sword for killing a zombie that hasn't been seen for over lets say 1000 years what do you get a famous sword for? being friends with Jaime and being determined to take a vow seriously? Far less than killing a zombie, I must say (yes, I'm talking about Brienne) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game Of Thrones Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Jeor should have never given him the sword in the first place. The sword is a Mormont heirloom, and was not Jeor's to give away: it was Mormont family property, not his personal property. And he certainly should have never given it to someone who was simply doing his job as a Watchman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PirateVergo Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 No.It doesn't belong to house Mormont anymore.It's not like they are the ones who forged the sword anyway, someone gave it to them or they earned it, just like Jon did The sword is Jon's, he has absolutely no reasons to give it back to them, especially to Jorah, if they meet each other Jon would gladly behead him to carry his father's will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingelheim Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 You want it back? Take it back. Many people here are putting the blame on Jon, as usual. No, the one to blame is Jeor. Longclaw belongs to House Mormont. He chose to give it away. If Jon wants to return it, he will. If he doesn't, I wouldn't see any problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmarshal Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Yeah, that's why he is called Daemon Targaryen. Oh wait... He is Daemon BLACKFYRE, not Targaryen. I also missed the part in the books where Bloodraven became Brynden Targaryen. Instead, he is still called B. Rivers. And guess what, noone seems to wonder what happened to Dark Sister. If the Targs wanted it back as a family sword, they would have taken it when he was sent to prison or sent to the NW. And someone who joins the NW ceases to be part of his House. That's why Jeor left Bear Island and his family sword with Jorah. After Jorah left, Maege kept the Island but gave the sword back to Jeor - that means that the land and the sword are separate things. Nobody in the books ever said that Valyrian swords cannot be given away, and must always stay in the family. Only selling it for money seems to be unhonorable. They could have easily taken that name, as Ramsay took the name Bolton, but they didn't by their own choice. Seeing how we have no idea what became of the sword, I don't know how you can make that statement. It is common practice to let someone who joins a order bare the sword, Dayne, and Corbary both bore their family swords, but you know what? it was returned to the family. No one has ever gave it away like that we have seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmarshal Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 You want it back? Take it back. Many people here are putting the blame on Jon, as usual. No, the one to blame is Jeor. Longclaw belongs to House Mormont. He chose to give it away. If Jon wants to return it, he will. If he doesn't, I wouldn't see any problem. I agree completely, Jeor was an idiot. It would be less honorable, but that is only the case if they ask for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hos the Hostage Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Only if he gets Dark Sister. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boarsbane Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Jon was in the right place at the right time. If Bowen Marsh had stumbled onto the wight, and set it on fire, would Bowen be entitled to a Valyrian steel blade? Better yet, seeing as Sam Tarly went one better and killed an actual Other, where's Sam's Valyrian blade? Not to mention he was there because he tried to kill a superior officer, Mormont should of given him the sword and then taken his head but Jon is special Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SacredOrderOfGreenMen Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Not to mention he was there because he tried to kill a superior officer, Mormont should of given him the sword and then taken his head but Jon is special Fuck Alliser Thorn. He's a terrible leader and a dick besides. And to be fair, Jon is special. That's why's a POV. (Or visa versa) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sj4iy Posted September 6, 2014 Author Share Posted September 6, 2014 Fuck Alliser Thorn. He's a terrible leader and a dick besides. And to be fair, Jon is special. That's why's a POV. (Or visa versa) I find it hilarious that people seem to be upset about this. I don't like some of the POV characters, but I certainly don't blame them for Martin making them a POV character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Eater Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Yes, it is house Mormonts, Jeor was acting idiotic in giving it to him. How is it idiotic? Was Jon going to lose it, steal it, damage it, etc? That is going too far. It's worth remembering that in the real world, for many years you could not leave land to someone in a will. Why? Because the land belonged to your family, not you: you were simply the latest person looking after it for the family interest. Same with Longclaw: Jeor is current custodian of the sword for the Mormont family. He has no more right to give it away than, for example, a future Lord Stark has to give Winterfell away. Jon has no business carrying around the Mormont family's weapon. Family land has been sold off as the Westerlings demonstrated. We also learned Valyrian steel swords can also be sold according to Tywin. The sword was given to Jeor by his sister, the Lady of Bear Isle. Jeor gave it to Jon by right of being assigned the owner. Jon isn't keeping it forever, it is expected to be returned to the Mormonts upon his death since he can't father any children as a member of the NW. There are no clear defined rules regarding Valyrian steel swords. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmarshal Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 How is it idiotic? Was Jon going to lose it, steal it, damage it, etc? That is going too far. No, it isn't, he gave a priceless sword that was in his family for years to a kid who has no reason to give it back. It was stupid. Jeor clearly favored the hell out of Jon to near blindingly in Games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoamingRonin Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 No, it's his sword now. He's not borrowing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaegar Targaryen's Ghost Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 I think at some point he will return it, perhaps binding the Mormonts, and some of the other north to his cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new djinn Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 I didn't like the granting of the sword, but the responsibility is on the Moronmonts side(Maegy, Jeor), not Jon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackfish Tully Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 No, it isn't, he gave a priceless sword that was in his family for years to a kid who has no reason to give it back. It was stupid. Jeor clearly favored the hell out of Jon to near blindingly in Games. Jeor had just been attacked by a dead man so he had something more importatnt to worry about then whether or not his family kept a sword that his son had dishonored. As LC of the Nights Watch he thought having a Stark with a Valyrian Sword defending the wall was pretty good idea and it's hard to argue with that . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmarshal Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Jeor had just been attacked by a dead man so he had something more importatnt to worry about then whether or not his family kept a sword that his son had dishonored. As LC of the Nights Watch he thought having a Stark with a Valyrian Sword defending the wall was pretty good idea and it's hard to argue with that . Who was in the end dead, there was no reason or need to give Jon the sword, he already paid him back by not executing him for attacking a high ranking officer. How was one go with a sword going to mmake the wall any more protected them him having it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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