Wmarshal Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 No guest right was broken, I didn't read anything about Daeron eating bread and salt and given the status of guest in Dorne. This isn't like the Freys where Robb and Cat never came to them an enemy and were slaughtered anyway (which is why I despise the Freys, Robb and Cat never did anything bad to them and just wanted their help, they never forced the Freys to do anything), this was their mortal enemy. And we all know oaths never get broken. Which is why everyone in the Reach and Riverlands follow House Tyrell and Tully respectively as a unified front in EVERY war and why nobody ever raises arms against a king....oh wait It is much like Freys, Daeron did not go t them as a enemy but a lord who was promised peace They promised to peace and a safe meeting, they broke that and word meant nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmarshal Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 My mistake. Still murder can still be commited outside of war. Not under a peace banner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsay's Penguins Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Murder can be done under a peace banner, as the Dornish have demonstrated so lovingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmarshal Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 So f@@@ what? They attacked their home, let them take what is given. You cannot attack someone's house and expect them to care about you or keep any kind of "promise". There isn't one. Saying that someone have to respect the people who came to kill and enslave someone's country and family is at least plain stupidity imnsho. So what? The IT has no reason to ever attempt to speak to them or hold their lords in court, this could meant the death and doom of thousands. Daeron didn't even enslave them, he beat them in battle and replaced one lord. Not respecting the peace banner meant that the targs could have went on a war of extinction without anyone batting a eye, it was a fuck up, and could have lead to every hostage killed, every castle razed, and noblemen hunted like sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmarshal Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Murder can be done under a peace banner, as the Dornish have demonstrated so lovingly. And for that they were close to having the SK rain hell on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsay's Penguins Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Lmao peace banner or no the 7K were intent on raining hell on them. Killing Daeron lessened this for a long time, since it allowed Baelor to take office. Until Aegon, although that was a joke and half.Killing Daeron benefited the Dornish, not the other way around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 So what? The IT has no reason to ever attempt to speak to them or hold their lords in court, this could meant the death and doom of thousands. Daeron didn't even enslave them, he beat them in battle and replaced one lord. Not respecting the peace banner meant that the targs could have went on a war of extinction without anyone batting a eye, it was a fuck up, and could have lead to every hostage killed, every castle razed, and noblemen hunted like sport. Poppycocks. Why they should care about the IT? The Targs and their allies was an enemy who had come to enslave and kill them. The end. There is no reason to respect or care about tyrants. When Daeron died they show that they can do it and they don’t care about them. Which was the result? They left Dorne alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmarshal Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Poppycocks. Why they should care about the IT? The Targs and their allies was an enemy who had come to enslave and kill them. The end. There is no reason to respect or care about tyrants. When Daeron died they show that they can do it and they dont care about them. Which was the result? They left Dorne alone.Because they are their neighbors , out man them, and hold every house in Dorne's child. The end. The lords of SK were prepared to gut their way through Dorne, it was Baelor's forgiveness that saved Dorne a thousand terrors not this mad act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmarshal Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Lmao peace banner or no the 7K were intent on raining hell on them. Killing Daeron lessened this for a long time, since it allowed Baelor to take office. Until Aegon, although that was a joke and half.Killing Daeron benefited the Dornish, not the other way around.They were intent on ending the war because Dorne sued for peace. They lucked the fuck out. An one else would have gutted them, it was Baelor's that saved them not this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Because they are their neighbors , out man them, and hold every house in Dorne's child. The end. The lords of SK were prepared to gut their way through Dorne, it was Baelor's forgiveness that saved Dorne a thousand terrors not this mad act. Being their neighbors didn't stop the IT from trying to enslave them? Funny how at the end the IT chickened out and did nothing and Dorne was free. You know the saying "Who dares wins"? That is what happened. They wanted to stay free and they fought for it. The end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmarshal Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Being their neighbors didn't stop the IT from trying to enslave them? Funny how at the end the IT chickened out and did nothing and Dorne was free. You know the saying "Who dares wins"? That is what happened. They wanted to stay free and they fought for it. The end.You don't get when your word means nothing your neighbor means do you? It means they would never treat with you and bleed you to no end. So let me guess, you skipped all of Baelor's account right? Because it made it so clear Baelor's saved them from all the might of SK. And for it they almost caused a hell storm on themselves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 You don't get when your word means nothing your neighbor means do you? It means they would never treat with you and bleed you to no end. So let me guess, you skipped all of Baelor's account right? Because it made it so clear Baelor's saved them from all the might of SK. And for it they almost caused a hell storm on themselves Again; Why Dorne should care about their neighbors when the Targs never cared about them and the only thing that they needed was to enslave them? Why they had to treat with those tyrants who had come to destroy them? It doesn’t make sense. When a robber is in your house you don’t treat with him, you fight him. What might have happened means nothing. If people cared about what might had happened then they would had stopped to fight the others who wanted to take their freedom away from them. If people care about what might had happened there would be no French revolution, no American revolutionary war, no Greek war of independence, the people wouldn’t had fought again the Third Reich and so on. Makes sence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naseridrl Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 I found it very enjoyable to read that the smallfolk rebelled against Daeron. So often its made out that its the nobles that matter and if you get them to bend you've taken the country. This shows that the smallfolk didn't want to give in just because he'd taken noble hostages didn't mean the smallfolk were going to cave to the demands of the subjugators. It's good to see, considering in most wars its always the regular people who suffer most, this time they decided to stand up. The nobles hands were tied so the smallfolk took up the baton of refusal to give in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmarshal Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Again; Why Dorne should care about their neighbors when the Targs never cared about them and the only thing that they needed was to enslave them? Why they had to treat with those tyrants who had come to destroy them? It doesn’t make sense. When a robber is in your house you don’t treat with him, you fight him. What might have happened means nothing. If people cared about what might had happened then they would had stopped to fight the others who wanted to take their freedom away from them. If people care about what might had happened there would be no French revolution, no American revolutionary war, no Greek war of independence, the people wouldn’t had fought again the Third Reich and so on. Makes sence. Because it is needed to have a two way talk between foes. Why do I keep having to say this? The Dornish can't out man them and the IT can just keep sending men to gut them and force them to run around in their desert. Aegon the Conquer only stopped because of some letter. If wanted to fight good for them, out right acts such thisonly leads to a SK that continually invades and guts them without the dornish getting to say"but wait.." Hostages would die and the lords replaced. You seem to forget the only thing the French Revolution led to was the reign of terror and a power hungry Napoleon. A better comparison would be the overthrow of the Napoleon branch across Italy and Spain. War for freedom is common breaking sacred codes in war is just idiotic and could lead to a endless war and terror on the people. This act didn't end the war, Baelor forgiving them was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARYa_Nym Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 This was amusing: Lucifer of House Dryland, Last of His Ilk, King of the Brimstone, Lord of Hellgate Hall. I didn't see any talk on the mention of real ice dragons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmarshal Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 This was amusing: I didn't see any talk on the mention of real ice dragons. So Nymeria defeated the devil? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AryaNymeriaVisenya Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 This was amusing: I didn't see any talk on the mention of real ice dragons. The Maester doesn't believe any of the magic is real. He doesn't even believe in skinchangers or the power of greenseers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Tiger Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 It is much like Freys No it isn't, Robb Stark was the King of the Trident and the NOrth, plus his mom was their overlord's daughter. They never raised arms against the Freys, Robb and Cat just asked for their help. This is nothing like Daeron and Dorne. Two things could have happened afterwards. Either the IT wipes out the Dornish lords or Dorne once again fights off the IT. What you don't seem to understand is that some nations would rather die than be subjugated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmarshal Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 No it isn't, Robb Stark was the King of the Trident and the NOrth, plus his mom was their overlord's daughter. They never raised arms against the Freys, Robb and Cat just asked for their help. This is nothing like Daeron and Dorne. Are you just going to keeping cutting my post to get what you want? The Dornish swore fealt y to him and promised under a term of peace to do so again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Tiger Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Are you just going to keeping cutting my post to get what you want? The Dornish swore fealt y to him and promised under a term of peace to do so again. This is the last time im gonna say this (BTW I cut your last post because I am tired of saying this). Yes Dorne promised him something, but if wars are bad enough then all types of bitterness, anger and hatred can lead to the violations of promises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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