Annara Snow Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Cersei disagrees. In AFFC Jaime is conscious of his own change - he reminds himself to be more cautious in the field, starts taking his Kingsguard duties seriously like he never did before, etc. Why does "using" necessarily mean equality or free will? Manipulating/seducing your captor is an age-old survival tactic. I can see how saying someone is "not above" something could seem like a condemnation of that thing, but I still think you're reaching a bit. It does sound like that, I don't think that's reaching at all, and it also puts the two of them at the same level: "The two of them are not above using each other"... You wouldn't say that about a captor and captive, would you? It may have just been poorly phrased, but I just want to clarify what was meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsay Gimp Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 but he certainly seemed to a lot more than "an extra-talented bu douchy jock". I was referring to how he acted and was perceived; like a spoiled, arrogant jerk who knows he could take you in a fight. That is the impression he gave everyone else, who couldn't read his thoughts. Kyoshi said he(she) didn't understand why people undervalued Jaime's intellect. When did he demonstrate some great intellect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annara Snow Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 I was referring to how he acted and was perceived; like a spoiled, arrogant jerk who knows he could take you in a fight. That is the impression he gave everyone else, who couldn't read his thoughts. Kyoshi said he(she) didn't understand why people undervalued Jaime's intellect. When did he demonstrate some great intellect? Oh, of course he did not demonstrate intellect. Jaime was very impulsive and had been used to using his sword to solve every problem, that's what he was valued for, and he had a certain careless attitude about him (maybe as a result of his disillusionment, he just enjoyed "fighting and fucking" and said those were the only times he felt alive) - he didn't need to utilize any intellect. That changes when he loses his hand and has to change his entire way of dealing with things. So, in that sense, he changed a lot. He also changed his priorities when he started getting disillusioned with Cersei, and through his relationship with Brienne. I just don't think that he changed as much as people sometimes claim. If we got his POV earlier, we would have learned the whole backstory about Aerys much earlier. We do get to know Jaime pretty well in the scene with Catelyn in ACOK, and there are lots of indications about Aerys and everything, and he didn't look like a "dumb jock" when he was talking about conflicting vows, and everything else he says in that scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alayne-stone-cold-fox Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 sansa and petyr . Its twisted and fascinating and i have no idea how it could play out. mostly because its almost like 4 people between them, the distinction thats been mentioned of 'petyr' and 'littlefinger' and now we have 'sansa' and 'Alayne'. Plus they really have a hades and persephone vibe Solely based on the show i loved arya and the hound. Those two were like a comedy duo. Dany and Jorah. He's so loyal to her and its so touching. Petyr and varys. lets be real, they want to get rid of one another, but they'd be a little sad about it. Their game would be too easy with no one on the same level to play with. Frenemies? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elia Sand Posted December 13, 2014 Author Share Posted December 13, 2014 It does sound like that, I don't think that's reaching at all, and it also puts the two of them at the same level: "The two of them are not above using each other"... You wouldn't say that about a captor and captive, would you? It may have just been poorly phrased, but I just want to clarify what was meant.I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Onion Sleight Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 There are just SOOO incredible many, but my three favourites are:- Reek!Theon with Theon!Theon- Jaime/Brienne (actually Jaime with everybody)- Stannis/Davos/Mel in every possible way ... that sounds wrong :leaving: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teemo Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 There are a lot. The first that come to mind are Tyrion/Jaime, Tyrion/Tywin, Jaime/Cersei, Loras/Renly, Robert/Ned, Theon/Ramsay, Lancel/Jaime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elia Sand Posted December 13, 2014 Author Share Posted December 13, 2014 There are a lot. The first that come to mind are Tyrion/Jaime, Tyrion/Tywin, Jaime/Cersei, Loras/Renly, Robert/Ned, Theon/Ramsay, Lancel/Jaime. What do most of them have in common? At least one Lannister. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenedstark Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Dany and Daario's penis is one of the most curious relationshipsAlso worth a mention: Tywin and his childrenFinally, Jorah and Tyrion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirri Maz Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Cersei & Sansa Arya & Sandor Stannis & Jon Cersei & Margeary Sansa & Littlefinger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maarsen Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Jon and the Free Folk. Now there is a complicated relationship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tynned Lannistark Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 #1 - Roose and Ramsay. I'm surprised nobody brought that yet. I'm really intrigued by what Roose is really thinks and plans for Ramsay and Ramsay just has so many daddy issues...#2 - Jorah and Dany - twisted and yet touching.#3 -Arya and Sansa - so sad they don't get to interact anymore but its still interesting to see them thinking about each other. The love-hate relationship they have. And there's of course SanSan, Dany & Viserys , Tywin and any of his kids, and of course Cersei/Cersei - you could write an entire book focusing on her relationship with herself only Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaeguardiandroid Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Theon and Reek as a POV. Rhaegar and Lyanna non POV. The fallen prince has still a big role to play according to GRRM's many mentions of him so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCBlackbird Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 There are a lot. The first that come to mind are Tyrion/Jaime, Tyrion/Tywin, Jaime/Cersei, Loras/Renly, Robert/Ned, Theon/Ramsay, Lancel/Jaime. someone who cares about Theon/Ramsay AND Lancel/Jaime! Bless you for existing!! :bowdown: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCBlackbird Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 right... since I focussed on mostly my absolute favourite relationship (Theon/Ramsay) in my first post in this thread, but people are mentioning lots, I will go ahead and just mention my favorite ones : Theon/RamsayTheon/RobbTheon/JonTheon/BalonTheon/AshaTheon/RooseTheon/JeyneTheon/KyraTheon/WexTheon/DagmerRamsay/RooseRamsay/Reek (the original)Ramsay/DomericLancel/CerseiLancel/JaimeLancel/TyrionLancel/SansaJaime/CerseiTyrion/CerseiJaime/TyrionSansa/littlefingerSansa/AryaSansa/Jeyne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elia Sand Posted December 15, 2014 Author Share Posted December 15, 2014 right... since I focussed on mostly my absolute favourite relationship (Theon/Ramsay) in my first post in this thread, but people are mentioning lots, I will go ahead and just mention my favorite ones : Theon/Ramsay Theon/Robb Theon/Jon Theon/Balon Theon/Asha Theon/Roose Theon/Jeyne Theon/Kyra Theon/Wex Theon/Dagmer Ramsay/Roose Ramsay/Reek (the original) Ramsay/Domeric Lancel/Cersei Lancel/Jaime Lancel/Tyrion Lancel/Sansa Jaime/Cersei Tyrion/Cersei Jaime/Tyrion Sansa/littlefinger Sansa/Arya Sansa/Jeyne Northmen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crow's eye in the sky Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Countdown 5. Stannis and Davos4. Littlefinger and Varys3. Arya and Sandor2. Cersei and Jaime (I mean its so messed up that its practically tailor made for Tumblr)And the one that intrigues me most... 1. Cersei and reality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stendhal Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Nobody has said Sam/Gilly, or Sam/Jon, and I think I saw only one Tyrion/Jon... ? Otherwise, Sansa/Sandor, Jamie/Brienne, Dany/Drogon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annara Snow Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 [*]Special Mention 2. Dunk and every woman he has ever encountered. Dude, if the rumours about tall people are true, then you've got nothing to worry about! :cheers:That's just two women so far.But Dunk and Rohanne had incredible sexual chemistry, for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarieAntoinette Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 For me, Jaime and Cersei have the most interesting relationship as well. I'm also interested in the dynamic between Varys and Littlefinger, however I feel that this is more pronounced on the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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