Trogdor Targaryen Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 What if it turns out that Daerons father wasn't actually Aegon IV, that he was actually the son of prince Aemon the Dragon knight, and this is why he passed Blackfyre to Daemon? Imagine the context of the Blackfyre rebellions if this is true. Does it actually matter? Would it still make him a better candidate for the throne because he would be of purer valyrian blood than the great bastards because both of his parents were Targs? Suppose Bloodraven learned this, would it have affected his stance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Targaryen Posted December 12, 2014 Author Share Posted December 12, 2014 Come on, someone say something. Anyone say anything. I'd even accept a R+L=J as an argument. I don't believe that nobody has wondered this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Selig Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 So what? I couldn't care less about "the right blood". Daeron was clearly a way better ruler and much smarter, so a better choice overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the Rock Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 At the time, the throne would be his by right, but I doubt it would really matter. It's hard to garner support when your name isn't "Targaryen". It would probably be more like the Wot5K. Daemon has the better claim, but Daeron is still recognized as the king, and I doubt anyone would care since Daemon would still look like the jealous bastard who's just spreading rumors to take Daeron's throne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
complexphoenix Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Regardless of who his father was, Daeron was the better king. Daemon was the better warrior, but he was not the better man, contra what his supporters believed. If the Blackfyre Rebellion had been successful, it would have led to Dorne leaving the realm again, leading to another bloody, pointless war which the crown would have lost. Daemon and his supporters were idiots who didn't understand the difference between warring and ruling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vikingkingq Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 What if it turns out that Daerons father wasn't actually Aegon IV, that he was actually the son of prince Aemon the Dragon knight, and this is why he passed Blackfyre to Daemon? Imagine the context of the Blackfyre rebellions if this is true. Does it actually matter? Would it still make him a better candidate for the throne because he would be of purer valyrian blood than the great bastards because both of his parents were Targs? Suppose Bloodraven learned this, would it have affected his stance? There's truth, and there's what's widely known. If it's widely known that Daeron is a bastard, than I think a lot of the Great Houses would shift - the Tyrells, maybe the Baratheons, maybe the Greyjoys don't double-cross. After all, having a bastard on the throne threatens the political stability of inheritance all the way down the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Even if Daeron was not Aegon's son, he was still a full Targaryen, and his father was definitely a better one. The only difference would be what? that Aegon and Naerys were married? Yeah, because Aegon really took marriage seriously... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anath Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 If Daemon was right, then nothing. He had no way to prove it and nothing to even support this claim. Aegon bedded Naerys repeatedly, despite her plea for him not to. And since all the three participants were siblings, Daemon had nothing to cling to as a proof. Being Aegon the Unworthy's favourite kid was a cause for concern, not a proof of superiority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acnologia Targaryen Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Daemon lost so if he was right it doesn't matter. He should have shut up be grateful taht daeron let him keep blackfyre and tried to marry his line into the main line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joluoto2 Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 And what if it turns out Aenys wasn't really Aegon I's son and all Targaryen kings except Maegor are illegitimate. These kind of questions goes nowhere because the person on the throne is always right. Thus most people choose not to believe the claim that Cersei's children are bastards, since the Lannisters and the Tyrells are in charge, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fiddler Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 What if it turns out that Daerons father wasn't actually Aegon IV, that he was actually the son of prince Aemon the Dragon knight, and this is why he passed Blackfyre to Daemon? Imagine the context of the Blackfyre rebellions if this is true. Does it actually matter? Would it still make him a better candidate for the throne because he would be of purer valyrian blood than the great bastards because both of his parents were Targs? Suppose Bloodraven learned this, would it have affected his stance? Daemon was already the better candidate... With that said, though, even if Daeron II was a bastard (which is doubtful), there's no way he could have ever proved it -- just like Stannis could never prove that Joff was really a Waters, and not a trueborn Baratheon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annara Snow Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Daemon was already the better candidate... With that said, though, even if Daeron II was a bastard (which is doubtful), there's no way he could have ever proved it -- just like Stannis could never prove that Joff was really a Waters, and not a trueborn Baratheon. He was a better candidate to have a cool sword, and a much worse candidate to be a king. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
himashaa Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Daemon would have been a WAYYY better king than daeron. Daeron was a weenie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
complexphoenix Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Daemon would have been a WAYYY better king than daeron. Daeron was a weenie. Daeron brought Dorne into the realm, gave the Seven Kingdoms peace and plenty, and ruled wisely and well. Daemon would have destroyed the achievement of peace and unity with Dorne and made the kingdoms bleed for nothing. The Blackfyre Rebellion arose out of the stupidest and most reprehensible motives imaginable - Daemon was handsomer and better at swinging a sword around, and they hated the Dornish and wanted more war. Blackfyre supporters were a bunch of shallow, bigoted warmongers. Swinging a sword around has nothing to do with administering a country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
complexphoenix Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Being Aegon the Unworthy's favourite kid was a cause for concern, not a proof of superiority. This. The argument that "Aegon recognized Daemon as the better man" argument really, amazingly goes to show what a bunch of idiots the Blackfyre supporters were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon The Black Dragon Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Even if Daeron was not Aegon's son, he was still a full Targaryen, and his father was definitely a better one. The only difference would be what? that Aegon and Naerys were married? Yeah, because Aegon really took marriage seriously... Well Daemon was a full Targaryen too. He was just a bastard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fiddler Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Daeron brought Dorne into the realm, gave the Seven Kingdoms peace and plenty, and ruled wisely and well. Daemon would have destroyed the achievement of peace and unity with Dorne and made the kingdoms bleed for nothing. The Blackfyre Rebellion arose out of the stupidest and most reprehensible motives imaginable - Daemon was handsomer and better at swinging a sword around, and they hated the Dornish and wanted more war. Blackfyre supporters were a bunch of shallow, bigoted warmongers. Swinging a sword around has nothing to do with administering a country. Daeron brought Dorne into the fold and, from the sounds of it, basically handed them the reins to the Kingdom by being given more influence than the other seven. The rebellion arose because Daemon was loved where Daeron was only liked -- sort of like Stannis and Renly. But same as the Baratheon brothers, the worst of the two persevered and their better half died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acnologia Targaryen Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Daeron brought Dorne into the fold and, from the sounds of it, basically handed them the reins to the Kingdom by being given more influence than the other seven. The rebellion arose because Daemon was loved where Daeron was only liked -- sort of like Stannis and Renly. But same as the Baratheon brothers, the worst of the two persevered and their better half died. You know not one major family supported Daemon right? So i guess the dornish influence never bothered them so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annara Snow Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Daeron brought Dorne into the fold and, from the sounds of it, basically handed them the reins to the Kingdom by being given more influence than the other seven. The rebellion arose because Daemon was loved where Daeron was only liked -- sort of like Stannis and Renly. But same as the Baratheon brothers, the worst of the two persevered and their better half died. No, Daemon was loved by some people - those like our Ser Eustace, who despised intellectuals, hated bloody foreigners (Dornishmen) and distrusted people who took counsel of women and maesters, and wanted their king to be tall, fit, handsome, and great with a sword. Yeah, it's obvious how the approval of such people + Aegon the Unworthy made Daemon "the better man"... :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assjfjgjsgjljljglgjfjsduar Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 This is a case where history was always going to be written by the winner, and whoever was right doesn't matter. People who wanted to believe Daeron was a bastard would, and those who didn't want to believe it wouldn't. Regardless of whether it was true. There was one way to actually settle it and that was in battle. And Daeron won. Which is why he's remembered as legitimate and Daemon's remembered as some would-be usurper. If Daemon had won, he'd be the glorious rightful king and Daeron would be the ousted bastard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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