eyenon15 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Great season, I really like this show because it's such a completely realistic portrayal of prison life. The Tucky rape scene was pretty difficult to watch though, she's really good at acting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born Yesterday Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Of course. I thought the show had made that abundantly clear as well. You know, I'm not sure about that. The vibe I got (and one of the reasons I found this storyline so bizarre) was that Bennett and Daya were supposed to be a sweet little couple. Which, you know, NO. Eww. According to Daya, the only problem was that Bennett wasn't brave enough to confess (with hints that he wasn't brave enough, period, which of course he wasn't). But "ideally", he should confess, and do his time, so that.... so that what, exactly? That they could play happy family several years after the birth of their child? Who benefits from that? And what's supposed to happen in the meantime? And they decided to frame Pornstache for the pregnancy, in a world where paternity tests exist? Huh? And of course, keeping the baby under the circumstances was completely bizarre in the first place. So either this story arc was a train wreck from start to almost finish [the fact that it ended up so badly for the baby actually salvaged something], or I was completely unable to understand the motivations of everyone involved. WHO THINKS LIKE THAT? The only thing I can get behind was Daya's need for a relationship/sex. You lock up people for years, without even allowing conjugal visits. Unsurprisingly, they'll look for intimacy wherever it's available. It may seem revolting from the outside, but we're outside. I'm not judging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awesome possum Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Of course. I thought the show had made that abundantly clear as well We must have different interpretations then, because Bennett and Daya - to me - was clearly portrayed as a forbidden love type of story up until he bounced. If the show was trying to portray their relationship as between a rapist and his victim, it failed. And I just disagree with the idea that an adult woman's specific consent is somehow not consent solely because of where she happens to be when she gives that consent. That's a dark, deeply disturbing and dangerous path. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HexMachina Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Of course. I thought the show had made that abundantly clear as well, although I can't recall if that was in S1 or S2. It was one of the things the show was trying to do "see this deranged, clearly awful rapist? and this seemingly sweet guy falling in love with the inmate? both rapists, both not OK", Bennett deserves to be in there with Pornstache, although his list of crimes isn't as long as he hasn't been smuggling drugs into the prison etc, he has repeatedly raped Daya though.i thought Bennett smuggled stuff in his.prosthetic limb? I cant recall what but i thought there was some prescription meds in there. Might be wrong though.Also, where the hell was Caputo in Season 1 when they cut Sophia's meds? No heroics then, yet this season he is? I realise he is only.trying to avoid a media scandal,.but surely.that was relevant in S1 too? (though it did lead to the wonderful scene where she tore off the bobble.head in Healy's office and the "I'd like to report an emergency." :laugh: ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyenon15 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Caputo was at a lower rank and pay grade in season 1 wasn't he. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castel Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 You know, I'm not sure about that. The vibe I got (and one of the reasons I found this storyline so bizarre) was that Bennett and Daya were supposed to be a sweet little couple. Which, you know, NO. Eww. You're clearly supposed to see the problems though. It's why she wants him to confess. IT's dumb,but it would resolve the power imbalance issues and also prevent them from having to worry if they get together and avoiding other issues; especially with what happened this season: Pornstache makes a paternity claim. We must have different interpretations then, because Bennett and Daya - to me - was clearly portrayed as a forbidden love type of story up until he bounced. If the show was trying to portray their relationship as between a rapist and his victim, it failed. And I just disagree with the idea that an adult woman's specific consent is somehow not consent solely because of where she happens to be when she gives that consent. That's a dark, deeply disturbing and dangerous path. It's not "adult woman" it's "anyone under the legal power of another person". If you want to see why this is done, just look at what Healy did to Piper in S1, throwing her in the SHU because he felt like it, and the only reason she could actually leave was because she was privileged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awesome possum Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 It's not "adult woman" it's "anyone under the legal power of another person". If you want to see why this is done, just look at what Healy did to Piper in S1, throwing her in the SHU because he felt like it, and the only reason she could actually leave was because she was privileged. I don't really see the comparison between Healy being a grudge-holding shitheel and Bennett and Daya being portrayed as falling in love with each other before starting a consensual sexual relationship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castel Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 I don't really see the comparison between Healy being a grudge-holding shitheel and Bennett and Daya being portrayed as falling in love with each other before starting a consensual sexual relationship. Mo' power inequalities mo' problems. People don't like it when people like Bennett fuck around because of the potential for abuse (some might argue that it's always abuse, or near enough). It's not some patronizing attempt to protect teh wimminz folk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 So either this story arc was a train wreck from start to almost finish [the fact that it ended up so badly for the baby actually salvaged something], or I was completely unable to understand the motivations of everyone involved. WHO THINKS LIKE THAT?Yeah, I also found the attitudes of the pair of them bizarre throughout the show. At one point this season Bennett appears to think he's going to be looking after the baby when its born. Cesar gives him a crib to take home. Why? Is he planning on keeping it in secret or what?I know this is supposed to be part of how they're written, that they are sweetly oblivious to the impossible nature of their relationship, but it's taken too far when they're thinking things nobody in their rational mind would think.And I just disagree with the idea that an adult woman's specific consent is somehow not consent solely because of where she happens to be when she gives that consent. That's a dark, deeply disturbing and dangerous path.I think your thinking is the deeply disturbing one. It was a long road before rape was recognised as anything other than a violent attack on a woman. And that didn't happen in a vacuum, or because the law likes to ensnare well meaning individuals in its insidious tangles. It happened because there was a recognition that certain harmful behaviour extends beyond its initial classification.It's not a question of Daya losing her rights, it's a question of a guard ignoring his resposibilities.But there's no reason in this context why a rapist can't have a happy life with his victim, I guess. Just ideally after he's been to jail for many years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karaddin Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Switch it to a male prison and a female guard and it's still rape and I'm still opposed to it. You can't meaningfully consent when there is such a huge power imbalance, it doesn't even take a Healy, any of the guards can make a prisoners life hell and this causes an incentive to go along with what they want. It can make it impossible to say no, and the slime ball guard walks away convinced there was consent (see donut fuckwad with Doggett for yet another illustration of this). I'm amazed that there is such a drastic difference in interpretation of what the show was doing. Re: Bennett smuggling stuff in - fair point, I had forgotten about that. It's still not on the scale of Pornstache, and I tend to put a murder in his column in my head, although technically it wasn't a murder. So I tend to view his crimes as more numerous, but Bennett has absolutely committed multiple crimes and should be doing a fair bit of time too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HexMachina Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Switch it to a male prison and a female guard and it's still rape and I'm still opposed to it. You can't meaningfully consent when there is such a huge power imbalance, it doesn't even take a Healy, any of the guards can make a prisoners life hell and this causes an incentive to go along with what they want. It can make it impossible to say no, and the slime ball guard walks away convinced there was consent (see donut fuckwad with Doggett for yet another illustration of this). I'm amazed that there is such a drastic difference in interpretation of what the show was doing. Re: Bennett smuggling stuff in - fair point, I had forgotten about that. It's still not on the scale of Pornstache, and I tend to put a murder in his column in my head, although technically it wasn't a murder. So I tend to view his crimes as more numerous, but Bennett has absolutely committed multiple crimes and should be doing a fair bit of time too.About Pornstache, yeah, I absolutely agree he was much worse. He's a reprehensible POS to be sure. I also put the responsibility for Tricia's death on him fwiw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyenon15 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 What happened to Tucky would be rape no matter the power difference or where it happened.Daya & Bennett is different IMO. In male prisons, Guards having relations with inmates is fairly frequent and the guards are hit with a specific charge of sexual contact with an inmate. They aren't charged with rape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born Yesterday Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 In male prisons, Guards having relations with inmates is fairly frequent and the guards are hit with a specific charge of sexual contact with an inmate. They aren't charged with rape. Sorry, what? :shocked: Citation needed, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyenon15 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Sorry, what? :shocked: Citation needed, please.Citation that it happens or that it's not a rape charge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born Yesterday Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Citation that it happens or that it's not a rape charge? The second. And what jurisdiction are we talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyenon15 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Sorry meant to say that nowhere in usa (that I'm aware of) has a blanket policy of guard/inmate sex is always rape. Even some states it's supposedly a blanket rule of its always rape anytime a state employee has sex with an inmate, when the case goes to trial it's not always a rape conviction (even though the sexual contact was not in dispute)Oops, forgot about the sin of thread derailment, instead of all that stuff above. I meant to say, Tucky is awesome!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isalie Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Exactly, yall can discuss rape elsewhere ;) Really, did noone think Lolly was gonna shank Alex when the lollipop shank showed up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HexMachina Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Exactly, yall can discuss rape elsewhere ;) Really, did noone think Lolly was gonna shank Alex when the lollipop shank showed up?I was too busy focusing on the big ass shard of glass she had :p but yes, I honestly did think she was out to get Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brook Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 I was too busy focusing on the big ass shard of glass she had :p but yes, I honestly did think she was out to get AlexDittoI now think if Alex survives (I'm giving it 50/50 but really hope she does because I couldn't deal with a full season of Piper making Alex's death about her) that it will be Lolly that saves her - she's just about the only one I didn't see in the big lake ending and her paranoia causing her to double back and check on Alex makes perfect sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 About Alex's situation at the end of the season I thought the drug cartel member's plan to become a guard and kill her strained credulity a bit. Even if he was able to fool the prison company with a fake identity, the entire plan seems to hinge oh the guard finding an opportunity to discreetly murder Alex before she notices him and alerts another guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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