OmnomnomPomelo Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 I was always wondering why is Davos' ship called Black Betha.Black Betha Blackwood was the wife of king Aegon "Egg" Targaryen. Betha, Egg and many more died at Summerhall in 259. According to the wikia Davos was born in 260 or before, so he couldn't know the queen. Also we know nearly nothing about her, only that married Aegon for love, they had some children, and died at Summerhall, but nothing special. I mean if for example she would be a queen loved by the people of Westeros, then it'd be logical to name a ship after her. Still Davos who was born or was like 2-3 years old when she died, named his ship after her?I know it's not a big deal, but still makes me wonder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelittledragonthatcould Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 How do you know the ship didn't belong to someone else before Davos? Ships are often named after royalty and significant figures which the Queen would have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam de Felden Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 My assumption was that the ship was previously a navy ship that was later sold privately, Davos got it, didn't feel the need to rename it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmnomnomPomelo Posted May 29, 2015 Author Share Posted May 29, 2015 Don't remember clearly, but this is what the wikia says: "After his time aboard the Cobblecat, Davos made his own way and secured his own ship, the Black Betha," But yes, it's a possibility that he bought the ship and was named Black Betha already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bael's Bastard Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 Perhaps because Black Betha was the great grandmother of Stannis and Robert. * Aegon V Targaryen + Betha Blackwood = Rhaelle Targaryen* Rhaelle Targaryen + Ormund Baratheon = Steffon Baratheon* Steffon Baratheon + Cassana Estermont = Stannis Baratheon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 It was part of the royal fleet, not Davos's personal ship. that wikia is incorrect. Out on the river, Bold Wind unshipped her oars and glided downstream in the wake of Seaswift. Last came King Robert’s Hammer, the might of the royal fleet... or at least that portion that had not fled to Dragonstone last year with Stannis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GallowsKnight Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 My assumption was that the ship was previously a navy ship that was later sold privately, Davos got it, didn't feel the need to rename it.I don't think Davos owned it. He was a royal navy captain. The crown owns it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Warning Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 I think it was just one of Stannis' ships that he made Davos captain of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bael's Bastard Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 Also, I don't think we have been told anything about Betha in connection to Summerhall. She could have died long before it, she could have not attended, she could have attended and survived, she could have attended and died, but I don't think we have been told either way. If she was still alive at Summerhall, she would have been married to Egg for nearly forty years, and his queen a little over two and a half decades. Perhaps she has a good reputation and memory in the south. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daendrew Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 Mel asked to make a shadow baby with Davos. Only does that with people of kingsblood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 Doesn't Davos say that Stannis gave him a ship or something like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsOfBrains Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 Doesn't Davos say that Stannis gave him a ship or something like that? Yes but I don't know that was literally like, "here, its a gift" or if it was like, "here, captain this ship for me". Mel asked to make a shadow baby with Davos. Only does that with people of kingsblood. That is a bit odd isn't it. Maybe the shadow baby stuff isn't strictly kings blood related? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Blue Eyes Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 Yes but I don't know that was literally like, "here, its a gift" or if it was like, "here, captain this ship for me". Doesn't matter. Black Betha is as much part of the Royal Fleet as the other ships with commanders named Seaworth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bael's Bastard Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 Mel asked to make a shadow baby with Davos. Only does that with people of kingsblood.Where is that stated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beautiful Balon Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 That is a bit odd isn't it. Maybe the shadow baby stuff isn't strictly kings blood related? I think it requires exceptional people, Davos is incredibly competent at smuggling and being hand, learned to read at forty years old and and is unshakably loyal to Stannis. That kind of man doesn't come often. The only other dudes(that we know of) who she's tried to get with are Stannis and Jon and neither of them are common men. So less kingsblood and more badass blood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bemused Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 There's a hint that she may have tried with Mance as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsOfBrains Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Doesn't matter. Black Betha is as much part of the Royal Fleet as the other ships with commanders named Seaworth. So are you saying any ship Davos owns belongs to Stannis? Like a lord can't operate a merchant fleet of his own? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Blue Eyes Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 So are you saying any ship Davos owns belongs to Stannis? Like a lord can't operate a merchant fleet of his own? Of course Davos could. But Black Betha was a warship of the Royal Fleet, under Stannis' command. So were Wraith and Lady Marya, captained by his two eldest sons. They are (literally) ships of the line and paid for by the Iron Throne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICRYRAGE Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 It could have been foreshadowing of Stannis' and the war. The Blackwoods and he Brackens have been fighting each other forever and they have basically kept each other from becoming more powerful while the other houses in the Riverlands have become more powerful the same way everyone is fighting in the war of the five kings. Everyone is getting weaker as the Others get stronger. Or it could just be a ship named after a queen and an ancestor of King Robert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daendrew Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Yes but I don't know that was literally like, "here, its a gift" or if it was like, "here, captain this ship for me". That is a bit odd isn't it. Maybe the shadow baby stuff isn't strictly kings blood related? Or maybe someone born in the shadow of the Red Keep is not who he seems. Or knows. I like the theory he is son of Duncan Prince of Dragonflies and his wife Jenny of Oldstones. Left maybe with her mother the Ghost of High Heart before going to Summerhall maybe. Total tinfoil conjecture. But fun to think about. If that was true, he is heir to the Iron Throne. Just because he abdicated doesn't mean his children lose claim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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