(Spoilers All) The True King

[SonOfHarpy]

Ah, isn't it often like that? I mean in real life. Smart people, who are making hard, but probably right decisions do not always win. Sly people on the other hand, yes I think they win a lot. Frey is pathetic, but he is still in a pretty secure position without too many opponents/rivals. Until the white walkers come and get them all, that is.

I hope Jon snow becomes a white walker I'd love see him kill everyone else let the battle of fire and ice begin soon

[Daenerys_Is_Coming]

He's obviously fucking dead. The off-screen death was just another fuck you to the character. Honest to god if not for the necessity of his intervention at the Wall he probably would have been cut. He's been downgraded in almost every area relative to the book character, often to the point of hilarity.

What the hell is a barely alive Stannis Barratheon going to accomplish in season 6. Go questing with Wonderwoman of Tarth?

I cannot for the life of me figure out why D+D vacillate between gory brutal deaths and completely ambiguous ones?? They said that they "spent hours in the editing room" trying to decide how much of Ned's beheading they would show to guarantee that the audience knew he was dead. We also saw Cat's neck slit from ear to ear.

Yet this season, there was a moment where a Harpy was just about to slit Barristan's throat before he was stopped by GreyWorm .... then the next week Ser Grandpa is lying on a slab. Dead as dead. Why not just slit his throat and be done with it if you;re going to kill him off?

Now this week, they intentionally spent a good 30 seconds watching the life drain out of Jon's eyes, but then skip the money shot with Stannis? Why? Another act of missdirection or just two guys who don't know what the f**k they're doing?

I'm not going to read into it too much. Stannnis is probably dead (with a less than befitting death) and GoldenBoy Jon will come back despite D=D's insistence that he's not.

[TyenesTittes]

With Stannis "gone," could it be possible with the rumours of Euron Greyjoy casting be true?

if so, would you guys rather have Euron Greyjoy than Victorian Greyjoy?

[Daenerys_Is_Coming]

Brienne does not need Stannis to clear her name. She is on good terms with Tyrells and Lannisters. Baratheons are gone.

Who cares about Jon Snow? The more of them dead, the better. I want Dany dead soon! Her line is about as pointless as Stannis's. It's time to die! And someone please kill Cersei soon too. She's another one who's overstayed her welcome for 5 seasons.

Uhhhhhh.... so who would be left in your dream Westeros? Saint Tyrion and the missing GreyJoys?

[Twenty of House Goodmen]

Nvm

[Elbereth]

I found it funny that Brienne can say that Renly was the rightful King to Renly's older brother's face.

Yep that was pretty dumb.

[Twenty of House Goodmen]

Of course this thread would have Stannis/Baratheon fans attacking Dany/Targaryens and Stannis/Baratheon haters shoving this in their faces. Very typical of these forums.

I'm not sure why anyone is upset at Brienne killing Stannis. I was pretty good imo, following a frustating scene though. Would you prefer if it had been Ramsay?

[Hoo]

Uhhhhhh.... so who would be left in your dream Westeros? Saint Tyrion and the missing GreyJoys?

There would be no one in Westeros because we all know Danny and Cersei are the only ones in Westeros?!?

[Mithras]

Mithras,

you can't expect Catelyn to listen to reason. George has said multiple times that she isn't the same person she once was, so there is really no reason why she would want to believe (or accept) that Jaime had nothing to do with Robb's murder. She has Roose's own word for it, after all.

Not to mention that Brienne would have told Catelyn that she and Jaime supped with Roose at Harrenhal, and that Roose let Jaime go. Brienne cannot ensure Cat that Jaime had no clue about the Red Wedding as she wouldn't know what Jaime and Roose talked while she wasn't there - not to mention that Jaime's conversation with Roose effectively decided the Red Wedding - it was the assurance Roose got from Jaime which convinced Roose to go through with the plan.

Brienne, on the other hand, was Cat's sworn sword once, and she had reason to trust her once. I imagine whatever remnants of her personality are left recognized as much - as well as the fact that she could not expect her to stay true to a corpse.

But even that did not restrain her from killing Brienne or using her as a tool to get to Jaime. I don't see Catelyn allowing Jaime to get off the hook the same way Sandor escaped Beric's clutches. She'll do whatever the hell she wants - and we don't really know yet if Cat is through with Brienne after she has brought Jaime to her. If she really believes Brienne lied to her she can (and would) still hang Brienne. Nobody is going to object. We see how easy those guys hang people.

As to Stannis:

Has anybody thought how good a parallel the botching of his character is to Cersei's walk? I mean, you can practically see how he looses more and more mental clothes and hair after he burns Shireen, people continue to defect, Selyse kills herself, and - most importantly - Melisandre abandons him. The man is walking joke, charging against his enemies naked without any weapon and with defeat written all over him.

Oh, and has anybody ever thought how they fucked up Mel, too. I mean, the woman is absolutely devoted to Stannis. She would never abandon him under any circumstances. I imagine she would even throw herself in front of an arrow or a spear aimed at him. What are is the audience supposed to believe about her now? The pitiful fan fiction fantasies of a large group of readers prior to ADwD that Mel is inherently evil, an agent of the Others, a devious woman who intentionally leads Stannis astray? I really don't get that at all.

Good thing that UnCat seems to have some reason which Cat clearly lacked.

Jaime has committed plenty of very serious crimes outside of that (including crippling Bran), so it would be beyond idiotic to let him go even if she's somehow convinced he had nothing to do with the RW.

Cat had the opportunity to punish Jaime for crippling Bran but she did not. Instead, she bargained him with the promise of her daughters and gave him a duty. Point me a case where Jaime broke his vows to Cat.

[Elbereth]

It bothers me now that Stannis Baratheon will forever be known in pop culture as that guy, that father who burned his beloved daughter to melt snow.

Meanwhile, THE Stannis Baratheon is on course to decimate House Frey and fight to the bitter end the two most disgusting houses in Westeros.

My feelings exactly

[Mithras]

Trinket2,

if Shireen is going to be sacrificed in the books then Stannis should do it. That is the strongest story, anything else reduces Mel to the evil sorceress cliché. But I'd not necessary say Shireen is going out this way. With Stannis presumed dead she'll first become Queen, and may actually soon go with Justin Massey to Braavos. Now, after Stannis returns from the dead in books he'll presumably return to the Wall which should eventually fall, too. With the Others on the rise and pressing everybody south things will become very dire for everyone. Mercy-killing your children won't be such a big issue then, and if Shireen's death could indicate bring forth dragons or create the real Lightbringer it could be worth a try - if she is most likely going to die anyway.

The other option is the whole greyscale angle. Val didn't tell us for no reason that Shireen's greyscale could return/is still dangerous in a dormant state. My guess is that the sickness will eventually return, cause an epidemic, and threaten to kill her - this could lead to her murder at the hands of the wildlings/other people or to a desperate fire magic healing attempt by Mel of the same sort Moqorro did on Victarion, possibly resulting in her transformation into a burned corpse-like girl or even a half-dragon, half-human monster - the stone beast breathing shadow fire.

These would be poor excuses to justify Shireen's death. Not that George is not capable of doing such blunders. In this sense, he resembles D&D. He has a list of plot points that he needs to cross. But he how he crosses them is not always perfect. We didnot need Maggy's fucking prophecy. We didnot need Quentyn to have the effect he will have. We didnot need a 180 degrees character reversal in Tywin when we found Shae in his bed. These are all bad writing and George will not be able to evade doing more of them.

[Astromech]

I'm not going to read into it too much. Stannnis is probably dead (with a less than befitting death) and GoldenBoy Jon will come back despite D=D's insistence that he's not.

I agree. I find Kit and D&D's words on Jon's death as nothing more than misdirection. I find nothing wrong with them saying he's dead in order to throw off readers and viewers alike. Who knows, maybe Kit won't be back if Jon wargs into another character, etc. I understand people's complaints about D&D and Kit not being more ambiguous if Jon is still alive, but I'm sure we'll see some hints before next season to increase viewer and reader interest and suspense as to Jon's fate.

[David Selig]

Cat had the opportunity to punish Jaime for crippling Bran but she did not. Instead, she bargained him with the promise of her daughters and gave him a duty.

Uh, that doesn't mean she forgave him his crimes and won't execute him in the spot if she catched him again.

Point me a case where Jaime broke his vows to Cat.

Did he bring her daughters back? No. Did he lead an army against the Tully? Yes.

[JonCon's Red Beard]

It bothers me now that Stannis Baratheon will forever be known in pop culture as that guy, that father who burned his beloved daughter to melt snow.

Meanwhile, THE Stannis Baratheon is on course to decimate House Frey and fight to the bitter end the two most disgusting houses in Westeros.

YES. Thank you. Fucking thank you. That's my whole point. The books will prevail but for the time being, in the collective imaginary of pop culture nowadays, Stannis will be Satannis, and Dorne will be Porne. That's my MAIN complain about the show.

Of course this thread would have Stannis/Baratheon fans attacking Dany/Targaryens and Stannis/Baratheon haters shoving this in their faces. Very typical of these forums.

Nonsense. Dany has also been butchered by D&D. They made the whole thing about Tyrion. This is like, the worst time to be all "but my character is better!!". In the show, no character is better, they all are a hack.

I'm not sure why anyone is upset at Brienne killing Stannis. I was pretty good imo, following a frustating scene though. Would you prefer if it had been Ramsay?

I guess in THAT context, yes. It was better than she did it. Still, if felt forced. Like she was conveniently placed there, pretty much like everything in the season.

[gash is back]

in all fairness how did any book reader or show fan possibly think stannis was a main character or would be in any way significant in the ending. it was always going to end in complete failure.

[Mithras]

Uh, that doesn't mean she forgave him his crimes and won't execute him in the spot if she catched him again.

Did he bring her daughters back? No. Did he lead an army against the Tully? Yes.

Do not blame anyone else for Cat's own failures.

[David Selig]

Do not blame anyone else for Cat's own failures.

What the hell are you talking about?

[scotman74]

Brienne has a valyrian steel sword. She could behead Stannis easily with that. His position doesn't matter.

So you think Valyrian steel will cut through a tree with one swing? Hahahaha...

[Twenty of House Goodmen]

I guess in THAT context, yes. It was better than she did it. Still, if felt forced. Like she was conveniently placed there, pretty much like everything in the season.

Its obvious that Brienne should not have been there. Her arc this season was practically non existent. In terms of an isolated scene, it was good, and again, I'm glad she was there, because Ramsay would be even more unbelievable god like, but in terms of narrative, yup, doesn't make sense.

[Nucky Thompson]

Balon Greyjoy is the true king of the show. He's the one still alive.

Not only that, but he's sitting pretty atop his island, making plans for dominating the mainland. I wonder if show viewers missed him more than the Bran's stupidity of a storyline.