The Wolves Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Uhm Excuse me. Your husband just cheated on you and you don't deserve to know the reason. Riiiiiigghhhttt. Cat knows why she basically said she knows men have needs so she wasn't suprised when Ned had sex with another woman and had a bastard with her. Catelyn thinks the woman means more to Ned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetsunray Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Uhm Excuse me. Your husband just cheated on you and you don't deserve to know the reason. Riiiiiigghhhttt. She knows the "reason"... they barely knew each other, he was way warring for close to a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetsunray Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 you misunderstood. Cat was prepared to overlook a dozen bastards for Ned. Hell, she's raised that way. But that does not make it any easier. Just bec. you're prepared for your husband to be a cheater doesn't mean that its easier to have his bastards flung on your face though. That it wouldn't hurt as hell. purple-eyes was right. Catelyn would have understood her husband and would never have treated Jon the way she did had he told her about Jon's real parentage. She's prepared for a dozen bastards of Ned, why not a bastard of his sister's? It's not like he fucked her sister dammit. Catelyn would even help Jon have a better childhood. But again, people don't blame Ned for his stupid decisions. They blame Cat. Or Sansa. Or someone else. Brrrrhhh. You're a woman, you should have understood Cat that whatever she might say, a woman would expect loyalty from her husband. And a husband who's openly keeping secrets will never help you or your marriage, or the child you were suppose to protect. Ned and Cat are an almost perfect couple with an almost perfect family. The only wedge against them was Jon. All bec. of Ned's stupid pride. Oh, I understand perfectly fine that it's the bastard being taken to WF as Ned's son for everyone to see that bugs her. But people argue that Cat wouldn't be fine with Ned having other women. Her own thoughts say otherwise. Sure, she might be self-deluding her. But it's Jon she resents, not Ned. And, no, Cat wouldn't be fine with Ned harboring his sister's bastard. She'd realize he's Rhaegar's son, and she would resent Jon and Ned for having a person living under her roof that could be the death of her children and her family, because it's treason. She'd sell Jon out the first moment any of her own children were under threat... like when Bran is almost assassinated. She freed Jaime for her daughters. She'd chose her own children's lives over anybody else's any day, any time, the bastard rape product be damned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YunoGasai Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 She knows the "reason"... they barely knew each other, he was way warring for close to a year. Cat knows why she basically said she knows men have needs so she wasn't suprised when Ned had sex with another woman and had a bastard with her. Catelyn thinks the woman means more to Ned Yea she 'knows the reason' that's why she asked him about Jon and Ashara Dayne in the face. (sarcastic) 'knowing the reason' was entirely different to 'being prepared for a few bastards as long as they won't be flung in her face'. Ned didn't even thought about how it would affect Jon's childhood. He only thought of his 'conduct of honor and pride'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolves Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Yea she 'knows the reason' that's why she asked him about Jon and Ashara Dayne in the face. (sarcastic) 'knowing the reason' was entirely different to 'being prepared for a few bastards as long as they won't be flung in her face'. Ned didn't even thought about how it would affect Jon's childhood. He only thought of his 'conduct of honor and pride'. She asked about Ashara Dayne because she wanted to know who Jon's mother was, she knows Dayne was beautiful so she knows why Ned would choose her years later when Ned refuses to name Jon's mother that's when she starts thinking that he must have loved her a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ygrain Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Yea she 'knows the reason' that's why she asked him about Jon and Ashara Dayne in the face. (sarcastic) 'knowing the reason' was entirely different to 'being prepared for a few bastards as long as they won't be flung in her face'. Ned didn't even thought about how it would affect Jon's childhood. He only thought of his 'conduct of honor and pride'. Ah, nonsense. "Secrets too dangerous to share". Jon's life is a priority that trumps everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 I think mostly of the problems we have in relation with Ned and Cat is that we're judging them as a modern marriage. They are not. Their marriage was meant to be a contract in which the parts were not obligated to love each other. Husband was not meant to have other women, but in case of bastard, bastard was had to be well provided. But not in the house. The fact Ned kept Ned with him meant, for Cat, that Ned should have loved the mother a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetsunray Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Yea she 'knows the reason' that's why she asked him about Jon and Ashara Dayne in the face. (sarcastic) 'knowing the reason' was entirely different to 'being prepared for a few bastards as long as they won't be flung in her face'. Ned didn't even thought about how it would affect Jon's childhood. He only thought of his 'conduct of honor and pride'. By besmearching his own honor lol. He thought of Jon's safety and everybody else's, including Cat's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
md-shafty Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Heres a crazy idea. Maybe Jon is just a bastard of Ned's. Thats why he didn't tell her shit. Personally I would love this because it would fuck with everyones theories. I think it would be cool though too if it was Ashara's and Ned's because it would make Ned that much more of a sympthatetic good character. Loving one woman, but marrying another to win a rebellion and save his and his best pals life. Then having to kill that womans brother and seeing her tragically kill herself in grief. Only to suck it all up and do his duty as a lord and love his wife and children. Never wanting any of that bullshit, only the dornish hotty from his youth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YunoGasai Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Oh, I understand perfectly fine that it's the bastard being taken to WF as Ned's son for everyone to see that bugs her. But people argue that Cat wouldn't be fine with Ned having other women. Her own thoughts say otherwise. Sure, she might be self-deluding her. But it's Jon she resents, not Ned. And, no, Cat wouldn't be fine with Ned harboring his sister's bastard. She'd realize he's Rhaegar's son, and she would resent Jon and Ned for having a person living under her roof that could be the death of her children and her family, because it's treason. She'd sell Jon out the first moment any of her own children were under threat... like when Bran is almost assassinated. She freed Jaime for her daughters. She'd chose her own children's lives over anybody else's any day, any time, the bastard rape product be damned. You're blaming Cat for being raised as a lady in an injustice and medieval society. She was raised to think that bastards are sins and products of shame for godssakes. And, no, Cat wouldn't be fine with Ned harboring his sister's bastard How would you know? She saved Brienne just bec. she's innocent and knew that she will pay for that. But it was the right thing to do. She didn't even resented Theon. Although she did distrusts him. 'She'd sell Jon' ah, there. Jon was only a bastard did Catelyn hurt him physically? You made Catelyn sound like Cersei that's your antipathy towards Cat that's talking. Aye she freed Jaime for her daughters. That's how important family is towards Cat. And Jon is her husband's sister's son. family duty honor. Why would you even think that she'd sell Jon if she knew he was Lyanna's son? Do you see Catelyn like Cersei? Cat always do everything for her family. Even when she disliked Lysa's attitude towards her about judging Tyrion Lannister, Cat had respected her decision. Cat loves Ned even though he had been unfaithful to her. And had always respected his decision. If he wanted to flung the bastard in her face fine. Don't expect her to be happy. If he wants to keep his secrets fine. Don't expect her to be kind to him when he looks so like Ned, unlike her other babes. A product of her husband's sin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YunoGasai Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 By besmearching his own honor lol. He thought of Jon's safety and everybody else's, including Cat's. his honor of a vow not his honor of manhood and chastity. he promised Lyanna, and he keeps that promise. wether to besmirch his own honor or cat's. stupid man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YunoGasai Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 I think mostly of the problems we have in relation with Ned and Cat is that we're judging them as a modern marriage. They are not. Their marriage was meant to be a contract in which the parts were not obligated to love each other. Husband was not meant to have other women, but in case of bastard, bastard was had to be well provided. But not in the house. The fact Ned kept Ned with him meant, for Cat, that Ned should have loved the mother a lot. you're right. and most people just hate Catelyn period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YunoGasai Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 She asked about Ashara Dayne because she wanted to know who Jon's mother was, she knows Dayne was beautiful so she knows why Ned would choose her years later when Ned refuses to name Jon's mother that's when she starts thinking that he must have loved her a lot. Of course she would ask fyi she's his wife. You think she's not entitled to ask? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YunoGasai Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Ah, nonsense. "Secrets too dangerous to share". Jon's life is a priority that trumps everything. Jon's life is a priority his childhood should be too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyser1 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 The quiet wolf wanted his new wife to learn that he is a bit wild and promiscuous himself...the Ned puts it where he pleases! :cool4: On a serious note I think it is just part of the plot that we have to accept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolves Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Of course she would ask fyi she's his wife. You think she's not entitled to ask? She can ask but she still doesn't deserve to know the information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolves Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Jon's life is a priority his childhood should be too. His childhood was great he experienced one of the best childhoods in the country yeah he was excluded from some events but so what? He still experienced education, a safe enviroment, food, clothing and a high status despite his bastard status. Plus he had a loving home getting love from his father, uncle, siblings and household something 99 percent of Westeros will never get. Jon had a really good childhood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 I wonder why everybody would dismiss the possiblity that Jon is indeed Ned's bastard? Because the author has all but confirmed that he isn't. When asked about who named various characters he says that Tyrion was most likely named by his father, Daenerys by her mother, and Jon by Ned. Unless he's being deliberately coy about who Tyrion's father and Dany's mother are, that's a dead giveaway that Ned is NOT Jon's father. GRRM has also promised to reveal the truth about Jon's parentage. If Jon's parentage is already known, then there is no truth to reveal, is there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YunoGasai Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 She can ask but she still doesn't deserve to know the information. So according to you, a wife doesn't deserve her husband's fidelity. That Logic tho.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YunoGasai Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 His childhood was great he experienced one of the best childhoods in the country yeah he was excluded from some events but so what? He still experienced education, a safe enviroment, food, clothing and a high status despite his bastard status. Plus he had a loving home getting love from his father, uncle, siblings and household something 99 percent of Westeros will never get. Jon had a really good childhood. A 'better childhood' than most bastards you mean. Not really a 'good' one. And i believe that every child deserves a good childhood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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