Beautiful Balon Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Craster, he abandons his sons in the wilderness where they grow up to be lawless necromancing ruffians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Selig Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Hmm good point. Forgot that Cersei just didn't allow it. Bob was the king, Cersei couldn't forbid him anything. It's just Bob's excuse for being a lazy deadbeat dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cagey Bee Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Doran Martell. I mean.. I like his character, think he's a good guy and all, except.. His children are tools to him and expendable. Edit: even Cercei's children aren't expendable to her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimim Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 How is Cersei a bad mother? I mean, terrible person? Yes. Terrible wife? Obviously. Terrible queen? Surely. Terrible sibling?Absolutely. Terrible...well, you get the idea. But two of her three children turned out pretty decent, and I don't think there's any indication that she did anything other than play in to Joffrey's natural predilection for being an awful person himself. At least she looks after her kids, which is more than I can say for Selyse. She's ok, so long as they're what she wants them to be. She idolizes Joff, as he's the psycho of her dreams. She's cruel to Tommen when he doesn't live up to her expectations (Tywin's funeral). She keeps him untrained and unaware of what's going on, as that way she gets to rule as queen. It's kind of disgusting, tbh. idk what she's like with Myrcella, but I can't believe she'd be much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felguy Posted September 8, 2015 Author Share Posted September 8, 2015 Bob was the king, Cersei couldn't forbid him anything. It's just Bob's excuse for being a lazy deadbeat dad. She killed him anyway so it wasn't an excuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Sharya Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Easy: Tywin Lannister is the worst father. Sybell Spicer is the worst mother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaynsa Starne Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 She's ok, so long as they're what she wants them to be. She idolizes Joff, as he's the psycho of her dreams. She's cruel to Tommen when he doesn't live up to her expectations (Tywin's funeral). She keeps him untrained and unaware of what's going on, as that way she gets to rule as queen. It's kind of disgusting, tbh. idk what she's like with Myrcella, but I can't believe she'd be much better. I imagine she'd be the type to belittle Myrcella by negatively comparing her daughter to herself. Though that's purely speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the Narrow Sea Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Bob was the king, Cersei couldn't forbid him anything. It's just Bob's excuse for being a lazy deadbeat dad. She wasn't forbidding him from doing anything. She just said that if he brings a bastard to court the bastard will die, and that if he disciplines his children he will die. Robert was free to bring any of his bastards to court as long as he didn't mind them being murdered. Robert was free to discipline Joffrey, Tommen, and Myrcella as long as he himself didn't mind being murdered. It wasn't about telling him he couldn't do something, it was about telling him that if he did she'll make sure that there's consequences. Hard to exactly call Robert a bad parent when his wife forbid him from ever being one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mladen Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 She wasn't forbidding him from doing anything. She just said that if he brings a bastard to court the bastard will die, and that if he disciplines his children he will die. Robert was free to bring any of his bastards to court as long as he didn't mind them being murdered. Robert was free to discipline Joffrey, Tommen, and Myrcella as long as he himself didn't mind being murdered. It wasn't about telling him he couldn't do something, it was about telling him that if he did she'll make sure that there's consequences. Hard to exactly call Robert a bad parent when his wife forbid him from ever being one. I am sorry, but that is all whitewashing BS. Robert was now afraid of Cersei? Seriously? So, while he was raping her, beating her, he wasn't afraid, but when it comes to children, he now transforms into a "Cersei threatened me" coward? LOL... Robert was not afraid of Cersei. He was just lousy father. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellatrix Stark Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 It's hard to say so-and-so is the worst parent. Sometimes the choices parents make may not, at the time, by the best for the child. People have been bringing up Tywin, while I agree he wasn't a good person AT. ALL, he did what was necessary. He not only had to worry about his children, but he worried about his extended family and how they were going to make their way in the world. Sybil Spicer is another name being thrown around, and yes it's terrible that she made sure her daughter didn't conceive, but Sybil did it for her family. She believed that Tywin was going to win (he did), and she did what was necessary to keep her family alive. Which she managed. Being a parent isn't easy, we shouldn't be quick to judge these characters based on their actions. You have to think why they're doing it. I want to clarify though that I am not excusing any of the characters for their, sometimes heinous, crimes they've committed towards others and usually towards their own blood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House_Targaryen Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 The worst mother is got to be Lysa Arryn for breastfeeding her son for a mild 72 months.... The worst father has got to be Randyll Tarly for telling Sam that he would kill him if he does not go to the wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasta11 Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Craster, not even a competition. Yes, we see other terrible parents. Tywin with the Tysha gangrape. Randyll Tarly with the whole Sam business. Hoster with what he did to Lysa to a lesser extent. But they simply do not achieve the pure, unadultered assholery of a guy who rapes his daughters and forces them into servitude, and leaves his son to be turned into ice zombies so that he can go on into his pathetic life. Robert being neglectful of his bastards (common for men of his station) and beating up his psycopath of a son once is nothing in comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 999th Sword of Braavos Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Doran is an underrated one, but if he deserves a mention than his wife mellario should too. She essentially abandoned them. also melisandre. Her shadow babies were killers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felguy Posted September 9, 2015 Author Share Posted September 9, 2015 Doran is an underrated one, but if he deserves a mention than his wife mellario should too. She essentially abandoned them. also melisandre. Her shadow babies were killers... At least Melisandre let her children live their life to the fullest. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowShark Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 I've seen a few 'worst father' and 'worst mother' threads and thought for a moment this was going to be an assessment of a pair... Does anyone have any good suggestions? Craster and his first wife perhaps, if she was in anyway complicit with his subsequent behaviour? Robert and Cersei in harness? And on those two, does anyone else see a parallel them as parents of Joff with Aegon and Visenya, producing Maegor - A and R both loved other women more, were warriors, etc while V and C were both committed to their sons advancement... And there's the suggestion that V was a kingslayer as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple-eyes Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 I've seen a few 'worst father' and 'worst mother' threads and thought for a moment this was going to be an assessment of a pair... Does anyone have any good suggestions? Craster and his first wife perhaps, if she was in anyway complicit with his subsequent behaviour? Robert and Cersei in harness? And on those two, does anyone else see a parallel them as parents of Joff with Aegon and Visenya, producing Maegor - A and R both loved other women more, were warriors, etc while V and C were both committed to their sons advancement... And there's the suggestion that V was a kingslayer as well. If Robert can marry both lyanna and cersei like aegon, he probably would be better, I guess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Considering I'm quite sure Randyl Tarly won't command his men to rape Gilly for the crime of being a girl Sam likes, I'd say Tywin Lannister is the WORST. PARENT. EVER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abdallah Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 worst father im gonna go with Craster in the books, and Stannis in the show. worst mother should be sybell spicer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Mac Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 South of the wall it's Tywin and Randyll for fathers. Mothers it's Lysa and Sybelle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felguy Posted September 9, 2015 Author Share Posted September 9, 2015 Ironically Roose, for the sociopath that he is, is not such a bad father. :P Ramsay has it good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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