Which houses would be Dany's allies in Westeros?

[Paxter Redwyne]

Just now, Lord Varys said:

Stannis does. He castrates those men in his army who rape any women. Dany should be able to do the same, yes?

Stannis commands soldiers, not dothraki raiders. If Dany will castrate any dothraki, they could leave her.

1 minute ago, Lord Varys said:

And that is wrong why exactly? Ned Stark was part of the rebels who killed her brother, Prince Rhaegar. He didn't do the deed himself, but he played a crucial role to enable Robert to do it.

I am sorry but this have no sense. Dany dismissed fact that ned stark wanted t save her from robert's assasins. She can't judge people justly.

3 minutes ago, Lord Varys said:

Care to name any such people? Who do you expect Dany will execute and how is that going to make her unpopular or hated?

Jaime, some lannister cousins(daven maybe), maybe even one tyrell or two for siding with usurper's son. 

Executing people never brings popularity. This is the reason why war of five kings started in first place and why rhaenyra was so unpopular in kings landing during late dance of dragons.

6 minutes ago, Lord Varys said:

Dany doesn't need the Starks. They are more or less done, being already snowbound and lacking the strength to make a difference in the South. Even asking them for their help would be a waste of time. Dany wants to take Westeros for real, not play at it (like Stannis does right now).

So she is going to do second Aegon's Conquest ?

7 minutes ago, Lord Varys said:

Actually, no. Dany hasn't made much worse decisions. She has always reaped rewards from her choice, gaining dragons, knowledge, and armies in the process. Even her episode at Meereen taught her some valuable lessons.

The assumption that Aegon will remain the poster boy he seems to be right now is just a baseless assumption. We don't know how popular he'll be when Dany arrives.

This is double-edged sword. At this point Aegon did nothing bad so we have no reason to consider him idiot. We shall see in Winds of Winters (after 30 years of waiting) but until then, we cant say that he will turn to be idiot.

On other hand, Dany missed perfect oportunity to take westeros, rejected quentyn marriage offer, decided to rule meeren when still planning to conquer westeros, and crucified these slavers.

11 minutes ago, Lord Varys said:

Stannis is willing to compromise if he has to. But he is not sincere. He doesn't believe in compromise. If he is in power he'll put all those who have wronged him, and he pretty much says as much to Davos. Don't you get the chills when he says he and Davos will make 'new lords'?

Stannis was completely okay with murdering the legal children and widow of his brother, and there is no reason to believe he wouldn't treat Bran, Rickon, etc. the same way should he continue to see them as a threat to his rule.

Stannis pre-blackwater maybe would do that, but after his defeat he become much better man. 

He had every reason to kill cersei and joff, tommen and myrcella. Cersei cheated his brother and her children were bastards with no right to throne what stole his kingdom.

Stannis was said to do no harm to Sansa after taking Kngs Landing, so why would he kill bran or rickon? He even said to jon snow that jon isn't robb and he isn't robert. Had he be so cruel as you try to point he would kill him.

18 minutes ago, Lord Varys said:

Doran may not join Daenerys now, but will all the Dornishmen stick to Aegon when Dany comes? We don't know. The Yronwoods might still grumble about that Edgar thing - and now Cletus Yronwood is dead, too, thanks to Doran and Quentyn Martell. That might perhaps a reason to reconsider their allegiances.

It could go either way. Yronwood heir died in order to help quentyn get dany's hand, and she rejected him, therefore making cletus sacrifice meaningless. Barristan also imprisoned archibald, his cousin.

[watcher of the night]

Also Dany landing with 100k+ troops is a humanitarian disaster.

[Lord Varys]

16 minutes ago, Jon's Queen Consort said:

Not all of them. Don't forget that people abandoned her even after they saw her with three dragons. Do you really believe that they will travel by sea just because she told it and without anything in return?

Did they? I don't remember any of that. Is that stated in the beginning of ACoK? If so, then her decision to actually cross the Red Waste might have dissuaded them. After all, that looked like certain doom.

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And how about she *becomes* a Dothraki herself? You are talking like she is hollier than thou who has never acted for her own personal profit against innocent people and who people fangirls about forgetting about their own culture and about what they know to do since birth.

I don't buy Dany becoming *a Dothraki*. The Dothraki will do as she say or they will face her wrath/dragon fire.

2 minutes ago, watcher of the night said:

Do you really think that dothraki will ask Dany each and everytime they want to rape someone? 

Again, Stannis castrates the men who rape women. Dany can do that, too. Or have Drogon devour such people. Discipline can be enforced, and one assumes a majority of the Dothraki want to keep their private parts.

3 minutes ago, Paxter Redwyne said:

Stannis commands soldiers, not dothraki raiders. If Dany will castrate any dothraki, they could leave her.

Men are men. The Dothraki can behave themselves. If not, they will learn their lesson.

3 minutes ago, Paxter Redwyne said:

I am sorry but this have no sense. Dany dismissed fact that ned stark wanted t save her from robert's assasins. She can't judge people justly.

She has not all the facts yet. And Ned caring for her suddenly when he didn't give a damn about her brother and father is really somewhat strange.

3 minutes ago, Paxter Redwyne said:

Jaime, some lannister cousins(daven maybe), maybe even one tyrell or two for siding with usurper's son. 

That's ridiculous. Jaime might already be long dead or in team Aegon (he is not exactly in a position to do anything important right now). The Kingslayer deserves to die, so there would be only very few people wroth about that. There is no reason for her to execute Daven Lannister (who happens not to be in KL right now - how would she even get a hand on him? Only after some battle and in such a case an execution is actually nothing special).

Dany won't punish the Tyrells for what they did while she wasn't in Westeros. That has nothing to do with her. If they side with Aegon against her she will punish them, of course, but not for something like that. And if the Tyrells continue to oppose Aegon the Willas Tyrell might actually end up joining Dany.

3 minutes ago, Paxter Redwyne said:

Executing people never brings popularity. This is the reason why war of five kings started in first place and why rhaenyra was so unpopular in kings landing during late dance of dragons.

Well, then, perhaps Dany doesn't execute any people because she'll have learned that lesson by then?

3 minutes ago, Paxter Redwyne said:

This is double-edged sword. At this point Aegon did nothing bad so we have no reason to consider him idiot. We shall see in Winds of Winters (after 30 years of waiting) but until then, we cant say that he will turn to be idiot.

Aegon proved he was a fool when he decided to go to Westeros now. It will give him some short term gain but he'll lose the war. That is clear from the beginning. He did not keep his dragon close, after all.

3 minutes ago, Paxter Redwyne said:

On other hand, Dany missed perfect oportunity to take westeros, rejected quentyn marriage offer, decided to rule meeren when still planning to conquer westeros, and crucified these slavers.

Marrying Quentyn would have put her at odds with Aegon and the Golden Company. And wouldn't have helped her one bit. Dorne wouldn't be enough to take Westeros and by the time Dany met Quentyn she had no chance yet to also recruit the Volantenes and the Dothraki to her cause, not to mention that she might have missed the Ironborn.

3 minutes ago, Paxter Redwyne said:

Stannis pre-blackwater maybe would do that, but after his defeat he become much better man.

According to George it seems to man is going to burn his only child alive. The man isn't a good guy.

3 minutes ago, Paxter Redwyne said:

He had every reason to kill cersei and joff, tommen and myrcella. Cersei cheated his brother and her children were bastards with no right to throne what stole his kingdom.

He had no proof for any of that, though. Robert still could have been the father of Cersei's children. And he might even have known that Jaime was their biological father and may have been fine with that (like Laenor Velaryon was apparently). Stannis never talked to Robert about any of that so he didn't know anything.

Would you murder your sister-in-law and her children just because you suspected she might have cheated on your brother?

3 minutes ago, Paxter Redwyne said:

Stannis was said to do no harm to Sansa after taking Kngs Landing, so why would he kill bran or rickon? He even said to jon snow that jon isn't robb and he isn't robert. Had he be so cruel as you try to point he would kill him.

Stannis can lie. He needs the Starks and Jon at this point. But if any Northman would suddenly entertain notions of crowning Rickon or Bran or Jon Snow the new King in the North then Stannis would do everything in his power to put those people down. And then he would eradicate the entire Stark line to ensure that something like that doesn't happen again.

3 minutes ago, Paxter Redwyne said:

It could go either way. Yronwood heir died in order to help quentyn get dany's hand, and she rejected him, therefore making cletus sacrifice meaningless. Barristan also imprisoned archibald, his cousin.

Arch and Gerris tried to steal a dragon. They deserve to be imprisoned. If they survive and Barristan lets them go they won't hold that against him. But this isn't the point. The point is that Doran is dying, Quentyn is dead, and Arianne is not going to be in Dorne in the future if she ends up marrying Aegon. Trystane is just a boy so the Yronwoods might decide to exploit the current weakness of House Martell to make a bid for Dorne itself. An alliances with Dany could help them with that.

I doubt the Yronwoods were introduced as 'the Blood Royal' with some recent issues with the Martells if that wasn't going to play a role down the role. I could be wrong, of course, but the point I'm making is just Dorne might not be a unified bloc - just as the other regions might not. We see how the North is just ripping itself to pieces even more. 

[lojzelote]

52 minutes ago, Paxter Redwyne said:

Stannis too blames group for deeds of few, but he at least is capable of compromise. He listened to davos ad jon when they advised him and he admitted that there are good people fighting for wrong king. He likes to grumble but he never actually punished any lord what sided with renly or northman lord who fought for robb.

And you believe Dany isn't capable of compromise because....?

She did not execute Jorah although he had been betraying her in a terrible manner for many months and she doesn't blame the children of the Ghiscari nobility for the sins of their parents. In fact, her entire ADwD arc ia about her compromising - she reopens the fighting pits and marries Hizdahr althought both deeds make her skin crawl just because she wants to make peace with her old enemies.

To pretend that Dany is some sort of rigid, blind shrew who does and sees only what she wants is ridiculous.

[Jon's Queen Consort]

1 minute ago, Lord Varys said:

Did they? I don't remember any of that. Is that stated in the beginning of ACoK? If so, then her decision to actually cross the Red Waste might have dissuaded them. After all, that looked like certain doom.

Didn't Mago and Jhaqo abandoned her after the birth of the dragons? Why they were not fascinated by the dragons and they abandoned her? By your logic they should had still be by ner side.

5 minutes ago, Lord Varys said:

I don't buy Dany becoming *a Dothraki*. The Dothraki will do as she say or they will face her wrath/dragon fire.

I cannot seriously say of you are kidding or not. 

[Lord Varys]

Just now, Jon's Queen Consort said:

Didn't Mago and Jhaqo abandoned her after the birth of the dragons? Why they were not fascinated by the dragons and they abandoned her? By your logic they should had still be by ner side.

No. They all went before that happened. Dany was already completely abandoned aside from the pitiful band consisting of the very old and the very young. Jhaqo, Mago, and Drogo's other kos left long before that. And the fact that they all left rather than killing her or dragging her back to Vaes Dothrak suggests that they were afraid of her even then.

Just now, Jon's Queen Consort said:

I cannot seriously say of you are kidding or not. 

I'm not kidding. Dany as set up to become the ruler of these people, perhaps all these people, and they will do as she says. Just as the Unsullied always did.

[Jon's Queen Consort]

Just now, Lord Varys said:

No. They all went before that happened. Dany was already completely abandoned aside from the pitiful band consisting of the very old and the very young. Jhaqo, Mago, and Drogo's other kos left long before that. And the fact that they all left rather than killing her or dragging her back to Vaes Dothrak suggests that they were afraid of her even then.

I see my mistake.

Just now, Lord Varys said:

I'm not kidding. Dany as set up to become the ruler of these people, perhaps all these people, and they will do as she says. Just as the Unsullied always did.

I think that your logic that she will win everyone by three untrained toddler dragons is at least funny.

[Paxter Redwyne]

Just now, Lord Varys said:

Men are men. The Dothraki can behave themselves. If not, they will learn their lesson.

They will only learn hatred. It does't work this way. 

1 minute ago, Lord Varys said:

That's ridiculous. Jaime might already be long dead or in team Aegon (he is not exactly in a position to do anything important right now). The Kingslayer deserves to die, so there would be only very few people wroth about that. There is no reason for her to execute Daven Lannister (who happens not to be in KL right now - how would she even get a hand on him? Only after some battle and in such a case an execution is actually nothing special).

Dany won't punish the Tyrells for what they did while she wasn't in Westeros. That has nothing to do with her. If they side with Aegon against her she will punish them, of course, but not for something like that. And if the Tyrells continue to oppose Aegon the Willas Tyrell might actually end up joining Dany.

Westermen will care about Jaime's death, whoever will kill him, Dany or Aegon.

Dany might decide to punish Tyrells for turning from their true queen annd supporting usurper line. I also think that tyrells will fight dany if tommen will be even alive at point when she landsi in westeros.

3 minutes ago, Lord Varys said:

Well, then, perhaps Dany doesn't execute any people because she'll have learned that lesson by then?

What a shame that she doesn't seem to learned it yet.

4 minutes ago, Lord Varys said:

Aegon proved he was a fool when he decided to go to Westeros now. It will give him some short term gain but he'll lose the war. That is clear from the beginning. He did not keep his dragon close, after all.

That was foolish move, but how could he know that tyrion lies to him. Tyrion joined Aegon then.

5 minutes ago, Lord Varys said:

Marrying Quentyn would have put her at odds with Aegon and the Golden Company. And wouldn't have helped her one bit. Dorne wouldn't be enough to take Westeros and by the time Dany met Quentyn she had no chance yet to also recruit the Volantenes and the Dothraki to her cause, not to mention that she might have missed the Ironborn.

Hiizdahr marriage gave her nothing in westeros.  And it is westeros what she wants to really rule, not meeren. And Euron doesn't give a fuck about dany accepting his offer or not. He wants dragons for himself.

8 minutes ago, Lord Varys said:

According to George it seems to man is going to burn his only child alive. The man isn't a good guy.

By saying after-Blackwater i meant when he decided to save westeros from wildling. And surely Stannis would be better king than Dany.

10 minutes ago, Lord Varys said:

He had no proof for any of that, though. Robert still could have been the father of Cersei's children. And he might even have known that Jaime was their biological father and may have been fine with that (like Laenor Velaryon was apparently). Stannis never talked to Robert about any of that so he didn't know anything.

Would you murder your sister-in-law and her children just because you suspected she might have cheated on your brother?

Had he won he could simply show people edric storm. Had he lost he couldn't.

Why what i would do even count? I am not a rightful king or something. You cannot judge things in song of ice and fire by modern standards.

12 minutes ago, Lord Varys said:

Stannis can lie. He needs the Starks and Jon at this point. But if any Northman would suddenly entertain notions of crowning Rickon or Bran or Jon Snow the new King in the North then Stannis would do everything in his power to put those people down. And then he would eradicate the entire Stark line to ensure that something like that doesn't happen again.

But Northmen neve crowned Bran or Rickon so you can't assume that. (You really make too may assumptions)

And btw Stannis isn't type of liar. He always speaks straight what he thinks.

13 minutes ago, Lord Varys said:

Arch and Gerris tried to steal a dragon. They deserve to be imprisoned. If they survive and Barristan lets them go they won't hold that against him. But this isn't the point. The point is that Doran is dying, Quentyn is dead, and Arianne is not going to be in Dorne in the future if she ends up marrying Aegon. Trystane is just a boy so the Yronwoods might decide to exploit the current weakness of House Martell to make a bid for Dorne itself. An alliances with Dany could help them with that.

I doubt the Yronwoods were introduced as 'the Blood Royal' with some recent issues with the Martells if that wasn't going to play a role down the role. I could be wrong, of course, but the point I'm making is just Dorne might not be a unified bloc - just as the other regions might not. We see how the North is just ripping itself to pieces even more. 

Aegon(?) actually have no reason to marry Arianne. He always wanted to marry his aunt Daenerys. Dorne already should support him as he is their last chance to get revenge on lannisters.

Yronwoods have no reason to support woman who spurned quentyn. Lord Ormond Yronwood was second father to him. Dorne certainly isn't unified, but unless Dany will promise to give Dorne Yronwoods, they have no reason to fight for her.

[Paxter Redwyne]

15 minutes ago, lojzelote said:

And you believe Dany isn't capable of compromise because....?

She did not execute Jorah although he had been betraying her in a terrible manner for many months and she doesn't blame the children of the Ghiscari nobility for the sins of their parents. In fact, her entire ADwD arc ia about her compromising - she reopens the fighting pits and marries Hizdahr althought both deeds make her skin crawl just because she wants to make peace with her old enemies.

To pretend that Dany is some sort of rigid, blind shrew who does and sees only what she wants is ridiculous.

She exiled him instead, while pardoning Barristan. meh.

She compromised with ghiscari while totally ignoring quentyn, xaro xhoan daxos ships and barristan's words about ned stark.

And Ghiscari, unlike usurper dogs weren't dany's enemies. She attaked them and tried to force their traditions.

 

[blckp]

16 hours ago, watcher of the night said:

Also Dany landing with 100k+ troops is a humanitarian disaster.

i think her army might reach half million,

[Drogonthedread]

Yeah dothraki will not listen to her if she said no rape .but they will listen to her when she says they have to cross poison water in wooden horses.  See the double standards here ..

About quentyn and dorne...here is the family who has done nothing for dany but expect her to marry them so they can get three dragons which will help them fight lannisters ..hell they don't even bring ships to bring her home ..

Dany eventhough she is a small girl wise enough to see that dorne and quentyn don't want her but only her dragons ..hence she came up with another way how the alliance might have worked.. But of course quentyn is too stupid.

Dany cant just come and demand fealty to anyone in westeros...but dorne can do the same come to meereen and demand her to marry him..again see the double standard here .

 

Somehoe this same people will be blaming dany for abandoning meereen if she left with quentyn or accepted xaro's ships 

 

[lojzelote]

31 minutes ago, Paxter Redwyne said:

She exiled him instead, while pardoning Barristan. meh.

She compromised with ghiscari while totally ignoring quentyn, xaro xhoan daxos ships and barristan's words about ned stark.

And Ghiscari, unlike usurper dogs weren't dany's enemies. She attaked them and tried to force their traditions.

 

Why would she not? Jorah betrayed her. Barristan revealed himself to her and professed his belief that she may be a good monarch (at least as so far she's not like her father) with an intention of joining her. Who in their right mind would act differently? Would you really pardon Jorah and execute or exile Barristan? Really?

Why should she take into account self-serving guys like Quentyn and Daxos? Besides, Quentyn came with a piece of paper and no army at a moment when Westeros simply wasn't her priority. In ADwD she is fully Meereen-oriented, while going to Westeros is something what she may or may not do one day in the future. It's Meereen what's truly important to her. So why should she turn her back on her Meereenese subjects and accomodate Dorne's need for revenge? She owes the Dornish nothing; it seems Doran did very little to ease her and Viserys' life in exile. Quentyn's piece of paper doesn't change that (not to mention, Quentyn actually lies to her about the real strength of Dorne... I wonder if he was purposefully feeding her BS, or if Doran kept him misinformed).

As for Barristan, IIRC her line of thought here is interrupted by what happens next. Also she thinks that if he's responsible for the Targaryen children then she's responsible for Hazzea's death. She's certainly less pathetic than Stan who holds a grudge against Ned for becoming Robert's second Hand.

Nice defence of slavery and child murder that. If you could watch people gut and crucify little children just for their amusement or to piss you off and still do nothing, even though you have means of stopping that horror at your disposal, it says unpleasant things about you, not Daenerys.

[Kaibaman]

Wouldn't the Iron Islands be among the first to declare for her? Euron and Victarian are both in Slaver's Bay right now fighting on Dany's behalf along with many Iron Born who came in their longships. Perhaps if either one of them becomes Dany's ally then surely the Iron Islands may just start fighting in her name. Of course having the Ironborn on her side may actually be more of a liability and isolate many houses in the North, Reach and Riverlands.

[blckp]

so some people supports slave tradition? if dany didnt help wouldn't she be villain like ramsay?

[Gaius Gracchus]

I'm just curious why people are so confident the Dothraki will sail to Westeros in the first place.. The way I always envisioned it happening was they help her defeat the armies outside Meereen and then they return to the Dothraki Sea (kind of like in LotR, Aragorn used the Army of the Dead to defeat the forces in South Gondor before letting them go). It seems unlikely that she'd have the ships to bring thousands of men and their horses to Westeros even if they actually wanted to follow her and even with the Greyjoy and Volantene fleet. I mean, how would you even feed that many horses at sea? And what would she do with them long-term? She'd pretty much have to sail them back to the Dothraki Sea

As to other points, I also think it's ridiculous to imagine she'll have no support and like others have said, the political situation could change a ton by the time she even arrives in the first place. Who knows who'll be in control in the North and the Vale by then and to be honest, Aegon might not even be alive by that point. Additionally, the dragons may not be super powerful, but if the Wall has fallen and the Others are cruising south, I'd sure rather have dragons on my side than not on my side. 

[Jon's Queen Consort]

3 minutes ago, blckp said:

so some people supports slave tradition?

I don't believe that someone actually support slavery. I believe that they disagree with Dany's way of dealing with slavery, which ended of her becoming a slaver.

[Paxter Redwyne]

14 minutes ago, Drogonthedread said:

Yeah dothraki will not listen to her if she said no rape .but they will listen to her when she says they have to cross poison water in wooden horses.  See the double standards here ..

redtree second account? Another double standard fetishist?

7 minutes ago, lojzelote said:

Why would she not? Jorah betrayed her. Barristan revealed himself to her and professed his belief that she may be a good monarch (at least as so far she's not like her father) with an intention of joining her. Who in their right mind would act differently? Would you really pardon Jorah and execute or exile Barristan? Really?

Why should she take into account self-serving guys like Quentyn and Daxos? Besides, Quentyn came with a piece of paper and no army at a moment when Westeros simply wasn't her priority. In ADwD she is fully Meereen-oriented, while going to Westeros is something what she may or may not do one day in the future. It's Meereen what's truly important to her. So why should she turn her back on her Meereenese subjects and accomodate Dorne's need for revenge? She owes the Dornish nothing; it seems Doran did very little to ease her and Viserys' life in exile. Quentyn's piece of paper doesn't change that (not to mention, Quentyn actually lies to her about the real strength of Dorne... I wonder if he was purposefully feeding her BS, or if Doran kept him misinformed).

Nice defence of slavery and child murder that. If you could watch people gut and crucify little children just for their amusent or to piss you off and still do nothing, even though you have means of stopping that horror at your disposal, it says unpleasant things about you, not Daenerys.

I would execute Jorah and do nothing with Barristan. She chose worst way with jorah. He should either be punished for his crimes or be pardoned from everything.

Yeah... Quentyn is so great egoist...

About Doran's plot, it surely sucked but as she wanted to conquer westeros she should agree.

Your last argument is pathetic. She didn't punished them but showed her own vengeful side. She should let former slaves speak about their masters in order to decide wha are bad and what are good. The way she did it, she probably killed as many innocent slavers as guilty ones.

She had right to punish them but she showed nno interest in who is who and also decided to be as cruel as them. She should please herself with beheading them, not leaving them to die slowly for number of days. 

[norwaywolf123]

4 hours ago, HelenaExMachina said:

Actually, Quentyn destroyed Dany's chances of having a Westerosi ally. Much as you dislike her, she didn't throw Quentyn into the dragon pit and watch gleefully as he was devoured. He was trying to steal her dragons at the time, so she can hardly be blamed for his fate. That makes it Quentyn who ruined the potential alliance, not her

Dany can get pletny of allies. Aegon the conquror and his sisters stated out with only Dragonstone, Driftmark and Claw island. Dany not bring an army of people to westeros. I think the vale will join her similarly to how the vale joined the 7K by letting sweetrobin ride a dragon. Lannisters are gonna get on the bad side of fAegon so they might join her

[Drogonthedread]

1 minute ago, Paxter Redwyne said:

redtree second account? Another double standard fetishist?

I would execute Jorah and do nothing with Barristan. She chose worst way with jorah. He should either be punished for his crimes or be pardoned from everything.

Yeah... Quentyn is so great egoist...

About Doran's plot, it surely sucked but as she wanted to conquer westeros she should agree.

Your last argument is pathetic. She didn't punished them but showed her own vengeful side. She should let former slaves speak about their masters in order to decide wha are bad and what are good. The way she did it, she probably killed as many innocent slavers as guilty ones.

She had right to punish them but she showed nno interest in who is who and also decided to be as cruel as them. She should please herself with beheading them, not leaving them to die slowly for number of days. 

Iam not him but the point stands though. .

If you guys are goingto accept that dany will make them cross poison water on wooden horses then she will stop raping as well...this is the one who stopped raping while she was still khaleesi and sweared to kill those who killed that girl ..

Why accept that dothraki will cross what they consider poison water but not stop rape ..because it will make dany look bad like you guys prefer right 

[redtree]

2 minutes ago, Paxter Redwyne said:

redtree second account? Another double standard fetishist?

LOL, if two people spotted the same trait from you, you should've at least wonder if the trait is true
 

33 minutes ago, blckp said:

i think her army might reach half million,

Not that large i think, half a million will require 5000 ships. A tenth of that perhaps