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2 hours ago, lyanna wolfgirl said:

:D yep!

 

and ha.  i was at the torcon in 2003, with the BWB (a group of us who knew each other from the old board - ezboard.com!  i miss that board) and grrm would come to our hotel room party every night we were there.  and one night there was a lamprey pie, and he "knighted" all of us over that pie.  so yes, i was knighted by grrm ;)  i even sat on his lap in my lyanna costume plying him with bailey's and asking sneaky questions... which he totally did not answer.  he was a total gentleman about it too, and his partner (then) parris was right there too... it was all very respectful and innocent.  i love him.  he just needs to WRITE FASTER!!!!!!!!!!

That is, without a doubt, one of the coolest things I've ever heard!

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It's been a while since I saw the relevant episode now, so I have to ask: Did Stannis confess to killing Renly on-screen when Brienne found him? I can't remember much dialogue between them, only that Brienne struck down... something (Stannis being out of shot).

The next episode's preview shows Littlefinger meeting Sansa again... presumably in the North, at the Wall. If I remember the distances correctly, that's, what, 2000 km away from the Vale, as the dragon flies? Seems like he hasn't parted with that jet horse he used last season. Wonder how quickly the knights of the Vale could close the same distance? Real-world figures suggest it'd take months, at the very least, to move an army that far. Barbarossa spent a year moving his army from Mainz in modern-day Germany to Iconium in Turkey, for instance, and if I recall correctly, that's a shorter voyage.

Another thing that made me think... why did Osha have freedom of the castle? She was brought to Winterfell in chains, yet came knocking on Ramsay's door without them.

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On 5/16/2016 at 9:44 PM, Morky_Pep said:

I'm all for giving Dany agency, and not having her constantly be saved by her dragon. But the problem with this scene is that it was completely idiotic. Lets look past all these "repetitive" comments and realize this was basically the exact same scene from Season 1. How did this plan make any sense at all? What if the lanterns were up on the sides of the shelter and not in the middle ? What if she was tied up and not let freely walk around? How does this plan make ANY sense. She could have died so easily.

I struggle to see how anyone can watch this and think Dany looked good from that scene. She looked like an idiot lol. 

And also, having Drogon swoop in to save her wouldn't be repetitive if you know, they actually used the Pit scene from the book. They made THAT scene all about deus ex drogon and not about Dany's strength and power. So they had to make THIS scene idiotic. I don't give the writers a pass. If the scene doesn't work than come up with something better. How can anyone think this was a believable scene ?

The rest of the episode was mediocre to great. I loved the Jon and Sansa scenes. It gave me hope for the show, until the end.

I respectfully disagree that the scene was exactly the same as 1-10.  In 1-10, she joined the fire with the eggs by instinct.  She didn't have a strategy, didn't know what was going to happen.  This time, she plotted not only a way to escape the Khals, but to get the Dothraki behind her as well.  I think she envisioned that walking through the flames would have the same effect on the entire settlement that it did on her small cohort in 1-10.  This is why she burned it from inside instead of outside.  She needed them to witness her power.

I also appreciate that they fooled EVERYONE as to how she would get out of this.  I just wonder if some of the angst toward the scene is just because it defied predictions.  Unpredictable is good.  The only thing that made me shake my head is how Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum march right into Vaes Dothrak, off a couple locals, and run straight into her.  I did chuckle at the taste of khaleesi joke.  The first frat joke among the Dothraki that I didn't cringe at.

Ramsey is predictable.  He needs to go. And I agree with most others that the HS revival sermons are unwatchable.  If only he could be given over to Ramsey.

Overall, this has been the most disappointing early season for me, but this episode stands as one of my favorites over the last 2-3 seasons.  After 3 weeks of treading water, there is motion on several plotlines.

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14 hours ago, Philpenn said:

Really don't get the confusion over show Dany being fireproof.

 

Even with book Dany, I'm not convinced the George was 100% when he made that comment.

Agree.

I also don't get that so many people have no clue about basic brazier/lantern/torch/candle technology. I can't be that old.

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12 hours ago, Wut Wut said:



Jon said he killed men he admired. He couldn't be talking about Thorne and co. right?

No. Qhorin Halfhand and Mance Rayder.

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On 16/05/2016 at 5:49 AM, Tooms said:

No but where Dany was unburned is not as yet explained. So there is no evidence one way or another as to whether she could do it again.

Once again it is impossible to compare and contrast the series and the book because we have no book. Whether GRRM is to be trusted on whether Taragaryens can be fireproof is another difficulty. I think he would be willing to stretch the truth to help keep secrets, and the show people would certainly encourage him to do so. The inheritence theory you quoted for dragontaming ability would suggest Danny is an exceptional Targaryen having of necesity inherited a double portion of the ability in order to hatch eggs. This is clearly not a normal targaryen trait because most failed to do this. If fireproof went with hatching, it would still be a rare atribute and what GRRM said might be squeezed in as danny being a 'one off'

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3 hours ago, Kyll.Ing. said:

It's been a while since I saw the relevant episode now, so I have to ask: Did Stannis confess to killing Renly on-screen when Brienne found him? I can't remember much dialogue between them, only that Brienne struck down... something (Stannis being out of shot).

The next episode's preview shows Littlefinger meeting Sansa again... presumably in the North, at the Wall. If I remember the distances correctly, that's, what, 2000 km away from the Vale, as the dragon flies? Seems like he hasn't parted with that jet horse he used last season. Wonder how quickly the knights of the Vale could close the same distance? Real-world figures suggest it'd take months, at the very least, to move an army that far. Barbarossa spent a year moving his army from Mainz in modern-day Germany to Iconium in Turkey, for instance, and if I recall correctly, that's a shorter voyage.

Another thing that made me think... why did Osha have freedom of the castle? She was brought to Winterfell in chains, yet came knocking on Ramsay's door without them.

Stannis admitted to killing Renly with black magic.

I really need D&D's teleportation machine! 

I don't think she had freedom of the castle. Ramsay sent for her, had her bathed etc.

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8 hours ago, xjlxking said:

and where are the freys!?  they deserve it the MOST!  i want them all dead!

Littlefinger's last words in his scene were 'It's time to join the fray'. That seems obvious foreshadowing that he has plans for the Freys.

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4 hours ago, Kyll.Ing. said:

Another thing that made me think... why did Osha have freedom of the castle? She was brought to Winterfell in chains, yet came knocking on Ramsay's door without them.

He had her bathed, so she would think he wanted to sleep with her. She was escorted to his room, wasn't alone.

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The scene with Dany happened the only way it could have in order for her to get what she wanted. 

If Drogon swooped in spewing dragon fire it would of done nothing but cause chaos and mass panic and the scattering the khalasars. 

Regarding the iron born that storyline is most certainly tied to the burning of Dany's fleet. She now has a huge army that cannot cross the narrow sea and that's where Euron will ultimately factor in  

 

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2 hours ago, dbunting said:

He had her bathed, so she would think he wanted to sleep with her. She was escorted to his room, wasn't alone.

Yeah, he knew from the outset that she wasn't to be trusted. But she thought she could pull the same moves on Ramsey that she pulled on Theon.

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Sorry, late to the party as ever. I blame my HBO Nodic online thingy, can't get episodes until 24hrs later than US screening. And then IRL things intervening.

First thoughts:

– strange seeing Jon Snow in anything but black. And the man-bun!!!
– OK, who ships Tormund and Brienne now?
– LF is even worse than ever and Sweetrobin is still a little shit… but that’s OK because they’re going to help the Stark cause!
– nobody mentions the 2 dragons at large, for the second episode running! Did they just fly away or something?!?!
– love the Dothraki language
– badass Dany is back, complete with epic music!!!
– much trouble brewing here and there

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There were several subtle and not-so-subtle cinematic things I liked.

It all begins with a closeup of Longclaw. The Old Bear’s sword, Lord Commander’s sword, Jon’s sword. Immediately taking us into the conflicts of vows and identities, before Edd even says a word.

Other closeups in the episode: the gyrfalcon while LF manipulates Sweetrobin and Lord Royce. The worm/bug in Marg’s dungeon. Zooming ever closer in on the High Sparrow as he tells his story. The knife on Ramsay’s table. Dany’s hand on the brazier.

Another cinematic device. People in light framed by a tunnel/some dark indoors. Davos and Mel on the CB walkway. Davos, Mel and Brienne in the CB courtyard. Cersei before she confronts Tommen and Pycelle. Even Marg when she’s taken to the High Sparrow has a shade of that.

I loved the “above” shot of the small council. First, it’s just Kevan and Olenna, waiting, two empty chairs (for Pycelle and Mace, presumably). Cersei and Jaime burst in, and the next “above” shot we get is Olenna and then Kevan sitting down, now with Cersei and Jaime in the frame, ready to take their places.

Theon on a ship approaching Pyke. Who doesn’t compare and contrast that to his appraching Pyke in season 2, all lordly and arrogant, and now…

Yara sitting at the Kraken fireplace like Balon. It was the exact image we had in season 2.

The not-so-subtle but still fun cinematic thing. Ramsay starts and ends the scene with semi or full closeups of him flaying an apple. OK, the focus on the knife on the table was a bit flashing neon lights… but it didn’t work for Osha.

Am I the only one who’s been on the lookout for shots of Grey Worm’s dagger? It was so prominent in the last episode, in a frame with Tyrion, that I looked. It’s still there, not as obviously as last episode, but still there.

Blink and you’ll miss it, but when Dany is led before the Khals, she takes a look at those nice braziers. From then on, you know what’s going to happen.

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Castle Black – OK, the episode starts with a closeup of Longclaw. Jon’s leaving, attempts humour (I’ll go south and get warm) but Edd’s not taking any of that. He reminds Jon of Hardhome, what’s coming, his vows… But they’re saved by the bell. Or the horn.

Brienne, Pod and Sansa enter CB, and Tormund takes a looong look, and I don’t think that was at Pod or Sansa.

Then the feeeels. Jon sees Sansa. Wonderment. Walk. Pause. Hug. I welled up. Aah, a Stark reunion, at long last! Snif.

The siblings alone together. Childhood memories. Sansa apologises for being an arse, Jon laughingly brushes it off, he was sulking in the corner anyway. Sansa is almost playful, a sister to a brother. Then it gets serious. They should never have left WF. She wants WF back. Jon’s tired of fighting. He’s fought every day since leaving WF, he had to execute a boy younger than Rickon, he’s done.

Meanwhile, elsewhere in CB, Davos confronts Mel. She’ll now follow Jon Snow, the Prince that was Promised. Davos is sceptical, wasn’t Stannis supposed to be the one? I loved that scene, practical Davos doubting unsure/lost faith Mel nearly as much as she doubts herself. And just as Davos is asking Mel about what happened to Shireen, Brienne butts in. Stannis murdered Renly by blood magic. Ooooh, that Brienne-Mel glare! And she executed Stannis. Davos and Mel are both shocked at that. Shireen’s fate is forgotten for the moment, but these three are in for sooo much trouble. It’s delicious. (I hope Davos and Brienne emerge alive from it.)

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The Vale – well, Sweetrobin is still an inept little shit. Loved Bronze Yohn Royce’s deep sigh before he puts on an encouraging smile.

Littlefinger’s back! Uncle Petyr! Even more devious than before! Let’s give the boy lord a prezzie and hey presto! he’ll do whatever I want him to do. I loved the closeup of the falcon. Gyrfalcons are quite rare, I've only seen them once in the wild, in the far north of my country. A worthy present.

I felt a bit sorry for Bronze Yohn Royce. He’s a man like Ned Stark. Loyal and honourable. Can never win against dishonourable people.

Sweetrobin’s really a real little shit. Moon Door for Bronze Yohn? OK, fine, not then. I’ll help my cousin Sansa – just as LF wanted – and call the Knights of the Vale. Whatevs.

OK, Sweetrobin’s a shit, LF is übershit, but if they’re going to help Sansa & co. against the Boltons, I’m fine with it. Expediency. I love how this show makes moral relativists of us all.

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Meereen – why isn’t anybody mentioning the 2 dragons at large? For the second episode running! Did they just fly away?!?

Grey Worm and Missandei are NOT HAPPY with how Tyrion is handling things.

Tyrion is being a tad arrogant. “A wise man once said…” This is the second time he says that, and both times it refers to him. Is Tyrion a wise man?
We get a payoff when Missy quotes him to the freedmen. Missy and GW reluctantly back up Tyrion but they’re NOT HAPPY. Missy’s and GW’s mindset is so totally different from Tyrion’s. I loved Missandei’s burn: “How many days were you a slave?”

I see trouble ahead… (GW’s dagger wasn’t as prominent in the shots as it was in the previous episode, but it was there. Just saying.)

Anybody else notice how Tyrion brazenly presumed to speak for the Queen? Missy and GW didn’t like that.

There was some levity with Tyrion’s bad Valyrian (“… you wait for so fat a time…”) and his brilliant move to step down those throne room steps… but, nah. They’re in trouble with every faction in Meereen and amongst themselves.

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Vaes Dothrak – Everybody’s favourite bro-duo gets there. Daario needles Jorah for being an old man. (Jorah needs to catch his breath for a while as they climb – is the greyscale affecting him?)

The most important point from this scene is, of course, that now Daario knows about Jorah’s greyscale. It’ll have to pay off in some way.

On a slightly less elevated level… When Jorah began to take off his sword belt, I thought he was unlacing his breeches to take a piss. Kinda ruined the drama of the scene for me.

Oh, and Jorah’s legendary shirt. Poor Jorah, he’s been wearing it since season 1. I’m told it’s been washed in between but this scene showed good sweat patches on a dirty, dusty rag.

Dany is being taught, even mentored, by the old crone, and she isn’t too far off. As Dosh Khaleen, these women have some power and influence, as opposed to khaleesis of living khals or widows of lesser men. Good shots of those nice braziers, too.

Dany doesn’t give a shit and goes for a piss, escorted by the young widow (neon lights: she might play a role later). Oh, and it’s Jorah and Daario! Whoopidoo!

Jorah and Daario want to try to sneak her out or die trying, but Dany has other plans… Aaand we’re taken off to King’s Landing!

I just don’t understand how or when Dany came up with her plan? Why is she so confident fire magic will work again? Why is she so confident she won’t burn?

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