iTchyGo Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 So the prophecy says a hero will be born under a "bleeding star", or something like that. In the Tower of Joy scene, when Ned enters the room, he places Sir Arthur Dayne's sword by the foot of the bed. Did anyone else notice the star on the hilt of the sword? Of course the bleeding part refers to the blood on the sword from the fight earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cragen Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 Sword Dawn is made from fallen star. So it can be bleeding star, but there is no smoke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onion Hound Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 Or it could symbolize that Lyanna just birthed the Sotm? He was born before the sword was placed there. If it's the ptwp prophecy, they are either trying to hard or not hard enough to make that fit. In my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gendry_Goldeneyes Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 1 hour ago, Onion Hound said: Or it could symbolize that Lyanna just birthed the Sotm? He was born before the sword was placed there. If it's the ptwp prophecy, they are either trying to hard or not hard enough to make that fit. In my opinion. i concur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lakin1013 Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 8 hours ago, Cragen said: Sword Dawn is made from fallen star. So it can be bleeding star, but there is no smoke. Actually, recalling Ned's words about the ToJ fight, he talks about mists or smoke In the dream they were only shadows, grey wraiths on horses made of mist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lannister Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 3 hours ago, Onion Hound said: Or it could symbolize that Lyanna just birthed the Sotm? He was born before the sword was placed there. If it's the ptwp prophecy, they are either trying to hard or not hard enough to make that fit. In my opinion. I'll agree that the scene was shot like that to keep the possibility alive in the minds of the fandom. I think the answer's more likely that Ned was just holding the sword after killing Dayne with it as he ran up to Lyanna. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onion Hound Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 Yep...if it doesn't symbolize anything, it's just a reminder that Ned had Dawn (6 episodes in between the 2 Toj scenes) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BalerionTheCat Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 Jon could be born during the fight. Dawn could be the bleeding star. But the salt and smoke are still not there. In books we rather expect the birth prophecy to apply to Jon's resurrection. But in the show I don't remember. Is it said somewhere "Born amidst salt and smoke, beneath a bleeding star" (Marwyn citing the prophecy)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cragen Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 10 minutes ago, BalerionTheCat said: Jon could be born during the fight. Dawn could be the bleeding star. But the salt and smoke are still not there. In books we rather expect the birth prophecy to apply to Jon's resurrection. But in the show I don't remember. Is it said somewhere "Born amidst salt and smoke, beneath a bleeding star" (Marwyn citing the prophecy)? I think it`s maester Aemon said that. Maybe Marwyn when Sam told him about Aemons words. In the show Ned crying when he have Jon in his arms, maybe salt. I can`t see smoke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BalerionTheCat Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 13 minutes ago, Cragen said: I think it`s maester Aemon said that. Maybe Marwyn when Sam told him about Aemons words. In the show Ned crying when he have Jon in his arms, maybe salt. I can`t see smoke. Yes, my quote is from Marwyn (thus the books). But I don't remember Maester Aemon saying this in the show. Except Melisandre, I don't see who could have said it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cragen Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 1 minute ago, BalerionTheCat said: Yes, my quote is from Marwyn (thus the books). But I don't remember Maester Aemon saying this in the show. Except Melisandre, I don't see who could have said it. Yes, Melisandre when Stanis and Renly meet. "Born amidst salt and smoke. Are you a ham?" - Renly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BalerionTheCat Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 10 minutes ago, Cragen said: Yes, Melisandre when Stanis and Renly meet. "Born amidst salt and smoke. Are you a ham?" - Renly Thanks. But I'm nearly sure there was no "bleeding star" in the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruhail Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 I think it was just a mistake/coincidence they're not that into the mysteries and prophecies of the series. 42 minutes ago, BalerionTheCat said: Thanks. But I'm nearly sure there was no "bleeding star" in the show. No. They super downplayed the red comet I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Guapo Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 30 minutes ago, Ruhail said: I think it was just a mistake/coincidence they're not that into the mysteries and prophecies of the series. No. They super downplayed the red comet I think. Except for when it actually appeared after Dany awoke dragons from stone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desert Fox Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 The show definitely isn't into prophecies, but clearly some of the writers are. They focused on Dawn for a reason. I think easter egg is the correct description. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruhail Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 10 minutes ago, El Guapo said: Except for when it actually appeared after Dany awoke dragons from stone. Hence the statement: They super down played it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaemi Greysnow Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 15 hours ago, Cragen said: Sword Dawn is made from fallen star. So it can be bleeding star, but theres no smoke If they want to stick to it word for word, that could come later, he is going to pull the Tower down, that could involve fire; also, there won't be any silent sisters around to help with Lyanna's corpse so I imagine he builds a funeral pyre then takes the bones up to Winterfell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darksky Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 On 5.07.2016 at 5:22 PM, Onion Hound said: Or it could symbolize that Lyanna just birthed the Sotm? He was born before the sword was placed there. If it's the ptwp prophecy, they are either trying to hard or not hard enough to make that fit. In my opinion. Lyanna screams just as Ser Arthur Dayne is slayed, she was in labour at that moment. House Dayne's sigil is a falling star, its seat at Starfall. Arthur was Lyanna and the baby's guardian. They were under his protection. Dawn is made of a meteorite. That part is pretty covered. Salt are Lyanna and Ned's tears. Smoke cold be fire burning, sunlight casting smoke-like shadow on those two (there's a pretty cool shot of that), or Jon's cover as Ned's bastard son (like smokescreen), needing his identity to be hidden from the world. Or something else... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onion Hound Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 Quote 15 minutes ago, Darksky said: Lyanna screams just as Ser Arthur Dayne is slayed, she was in labour at that moment. House Dayne's sigil is a falling star, its seat at Starfall. Arthur was Lyanna and the baby's guardian. They were under his protection. Dawn is made of a meteorite. That part is pretty covered. Salt are Lyanna and Ned's tears. Smoke cold be fire burning, sunlight casting smoke-like shadow on those two (there's a pretty cool shot of that), or Jon's cover as Ned's bastard son (like smokescreen), needing his identity to be hidden from the world. Or something else... Good points...now I'm curious if Bran being there could tie into the prophecy somewhere? If he could be the smoke somehow? Etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BalerionTheCat Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 20 hours ago, El Guapo said: Except for when it actually appeared after Dany awoke dragons from stone. Yes. But it was the first season. No one would have understood a so big deviation. And obviously D&D love the dragons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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