OldGimletEye Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 23 hours ago, The Great Unwashed said: Second, it wasn't as if Clinton was running a radically leftist campaign, so your argument doesn't make sense on the merits. No in reality she wasn't. You'd have to be a fox news watchin' goober to believe she was a radical lefty. And when you try to compromise with today's Republican Party, you don't end up in the center, but somewhere well to the right of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAROVORKIN Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 28 minutes ago, Dr. Pepper said: I'm sure glad that you've figured out the results of the 2016 election.... But the loss was due to a large number of factors, including failing to mobilize the base and getting out the vote. There was mention of voters staying home and not voting at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongRider Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 16 minutes ago, OldGimletEye said: No in reality she wasn't. You'd have to be a fox news watchin' goober to believe she was a radical lefty. I remember when in Obama's first campaign the R's called him the most liberal person in the Senate. Teddy Kennedy and Bernie Sanders laffed and laffed and laffed. The R's call all the D candidates 'radical lefties', 'tis what they do. But if Fox sez it, it must be true! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Pepper Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Nasty LongRider said: For the Democrat Party, this includes the heavy lifting of working against the voter suppression that affects much of the D's base. This also is very important. edt; and a 50 state strategy. Yup. We saw a lot of this in Alabama. Yes, Jones was up against a horrible candidate, a pedophile, so he had a boost there. But black voters also had huge gotv mobilization and got people to the polls. This helped buoy him to victory. And jesus yes we need a 50 state strategy. 35 minutes ago, GAROVORKIN said: There was mention of voters staying home and not voting at all. Um, yes. That's the point of get out the vote efforts. Part of that includes having a candidate who inspires people to get out and vote for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGimletEye Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 23 hours ago, Nasty LongRider said: I remember when in Obama's first campaign the R's called him the most liberal person in the Senate. Teddy Kennedy and Bernie Sanders laffed and laffed and laffed. The R's call all the D candidates 'radical lefties', 'tis what they do. But if Fox sez it, it must be true! Yeah, the truth of the matter Obama wasn't a radically lefty either. He was fairly centrist. But, to hear Republicans tell it, he was Karl Marx. But, a real Marxist wouldn't have appointed Timothy Giethner as Secretary of the Treasury. And I'll add: Even if your are a true centrist, if you go around saying "both sides" your not an intellectually honest player. In fact, even if you're somewhat right of center, and you say "both sides" you're not an intellectually honest player. At this juncture of our history, "both sidism" deserves nothing but disdain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Hillary’s moderateness probably played against her more than anything. And she is probably more of a true centrist than any Republican in office today, veering pretty right in her hawkishness; what is a moderate Republican anyway? Craven “maverick” John McCain? Lindsey Graham, who has latched on hard to the Trump teat in the last 3 months, and is now complicit in trying to obstruct justice? Flake and Corker, both of whom pooh pooh Trump’s attitude but are fully on board for his repulsive agenda? Trump was a complete embrace of far right extremism, there was no moderation in his messaging. He won over rural America with his white identity politics and heaping piles of populist bullshit that anyone with a single functioning brain cell could tell he didn’t believe and would not follow through with. As mentioned above, Republicans try to paint any Democrat as an extremist. They even tried to cast Doug Jones as their bogey man “coastal elite” liberal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martell Spy Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Jake Tapper Cuts Off Stephen Miller After Deeply Strange Interview http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/01/jake-tapper-cuts-off-stephen-miller-after-strange-interview.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGimletEye Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 23 hours ago, Triskele said: They also said that John Kerry was the most liberal senator in the run up to 2004. Huh, I wonder what the trend is. You ever notice it's never problem to be too conservative, but it's a problem to be allegedly "too liberal". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Ah, the monthly relitigate the campaign of 2016 again. Oh, how I missed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jace, Extat Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 1 minute ago, Kalbear said: Ah, the monthly relitigate the campaign of 2016 again. Oh, how I missed it. Shut up you, I need to be told all of HRC's failings so that I can get a Better Deal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongRider Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 1 hour ago, OldGimletEye said: You ever notice it's never problem to be too conservative, but it's a problem to be allegedly "too liberal". The least bit of liberal is too liberal, and conservatism can only be failed. What a political landscape this is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongRider Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Gingrich: Bannon has exaggerated sense of self-importance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Pony Queen Jace said: Shut up you, I need to be told all of HRC's failings so that I can get a Better Deal! Bad Jacelyn Trump! Bad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAROVORKIN Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Moving to Iceland is beginning to look better and better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 1 minute ago, Nasty LongRider said: Gingrich: Bannon has exaggerated sense of self-importance. Lol. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. But hey, what can you expect from a man who needed his children from his first wife to tell the nation that his second wife is lying about his third wife? #FamilyValues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAROVORKIN Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 7 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said: Lol. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. But hey, what can you expect from a man who needed his children from his first wife to tell the nation that his second wife is lying about his third wife? #FamilyValues Its time to break out the popcorn and sit back enjoy the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jace, Extat Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 23 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said: Bad Jacelyn Trump! Bad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The guy from the Vale Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Actually, I have to agree with Garovorkin here. I do want the Democrats to tack towards the center. But then, that'd make them more liberal, considering how they're mostly a center-right party from my Eurocommie perspective. So, I agree with everybody else, too. Yay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Pepper Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Bannon has issued an apology to Trump and family. https://www.axios.com/scoop-bannon-sends-regret-to-trump-1515329924-dbfe9439-59e0-4773-8d3d-079e5ee2b493.html this is all Trump needs for Bannon to be back in the loop and then gain more intel to leak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGimletEye Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 The Conservative Clownery is going strong. https://thinkprogress.org/kobach-fraud-charge-1eefa6b469d3/ Quote In November 2016, Fullmer cast ballots in both states. He figured that because he pays taxes in both places, he was entitled to have his voice heard in local and state races in two states. He only voted for president, Donald Trump, in Kansas. Now he is facing four felony charges — two counts of voting without being qualified, one count of voting more than once, and one count of “advance voting unlawful acts.” If convicted of all of them, Fullmer faces steep fines and two years probation. Quote On Thursday, Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach (R) announced he was bringing criminal charges against two people for voting illegally in 2016 — Fullmer and 20-year-old Bailey Ann McCaughey, who is also accused of voting in both Kansas and Colorado. The prosecutions bring the total number of people Kobach has charged with voter fraud to 15. So far, the cases have resulted in nine convictions or plea deals totaling $30,000 in fines, and one dismissal. Many of the prosecuted citizens have, like Fullmer, been confused seniors. Quote He was also unaware that Kobach is one of the most prominent Republicans in the country when it comes to propagating the myth of widespread voter fraud and feeding President Trump false narratives about illegal voting. Quote But Kobach’s involvement in spreading the myth of voter fraud will no doubt continue. As he runs for Kansas governor this year, he will be in close contact with the Department of Homeland Security, which Trump says will take over the investigation of illegal voting. Kobach hopes the agency will identify non-citizens on the voter rolls and push for laws that will ultimately make it harder for Democratic-leaning constituencies to vote. Quote A representative for Kobach’s office did not respond to a request for comment about his latest prosecutions Friday. In April 2017, Kobach told the Kansas City Star that it’s “absurd” for anyone to say that voter fraud is not a widespread problem, even when he has failed to identify anywhere close to the number of illegal voters he says exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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