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I don’t think my heart can handle football like this two days in a row! This has been incredible.

Well done spurs, I do feel a little sorry for Ajax but they just couldn’t handle that intensity towards the end. 

I feel exhausted 

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But nothing really changed with the Premier League. In effect it was just a rebranding of the existing leagues.

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What a 2nd half from Spurs. Then again you may wonder why Llorente hasn't started more games for them since Kane is injured. Poch's half time speech was probably very inspiring though -would love to know what he told em.

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3 minutes ago, Iskaral Pust said:

 

The PL was supposed to be disastrous for the lower leagues but they've actually done ok with trickle down from player sales, aspiration of reaching the elite level, and playing a very competitive league. 



The PL was a big change but ultimately it was a change of management of the top division. It didn't uproot the entire structure and take the best teams away from competition with the rest.

 

A European league would mean the fans of the smaller clubs don't get the big games, and in developmental terms, the players in the smaller clubs don't get to test themselves aainst the big teams either. Not to mention viewrship and money would collapse. Plus promotion and relegation into such a league would either be an utter nonsense or it would be a closed shop, an idea which shouldn't be entertained for a fraction of a second.

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Fucking hell.

Not confident about beating Spurs in the final at all.

Would have preferred an open game of free flowing football against Ajax, rather than being kicked to bits by shithousing Spurs.

But fucking hell.

That was incredible. 

Football.

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A European Super League would be an utter travesty as far as I'm concerned. Playing against the top sides is a special occasion. Playing Juve, Bayern, Barca, Real Madrid every season year-in and year-out takes that away. There'd probably be no promotion/relegation either and that would take away a deeply ingrained aspect of football. I'd absolutely loathe an NBA/NFL type closed shop. Also, none of these 'super' clubs would be where they are now without their domestic leagues. Saying fuck you very much and abandoning their domestic leagues to rot would be utterly despicable.

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4 minutes ago, Iskaral Pust said:

This is an old debate.  It would be financially disastrous for the second tier clubs in every top league, nothing unique to English clubs, but it would improve the quality of competition for the highest level players.  The best English players would get to play a much more skillful and tactical game. 

The PL was supposed to be disastrous for the lower leagues but they've actually done ok with trickle down from player sales, aspiration of reaching the elite level, and playing a very competitive league.  Is it really better for half the PL teams park the bus for 12 games a season or else play their own game in every league match.

It's a bullshit idea that risks bursting the football bubble in this country. IIRC, they want to create a league where the fattest of the football cats are exempt from relegation. How is this supposed to help the clubs left behind?

And yeah, of course nobody ever parks the bus in European football. :wacko:

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31 minutes ago, Soylent Brown said:

But nothing really changed with the Premier League. In effect it was just a rebranding of the existing leagues.

 

28 minutes ago, polishgenius said:



The PL was a big change but ultimately it was a change of management of the top division. It didn't uproot the entire structure and take the best teams away from competition with the rest.

 

A European league would mean the fans of the smaller clubs don't get the big games, and in developmental terms, the players in the smaller clubs don't get to test themselves aainst the big teams either. Not to mention viewrship and money would collapse. Plus promotion and relegation into such a league would either be an utter nonsense or it would be a closed shop, an idea which shouldn't be entertained for a fraction of a second.

The PL dramatically changed the money.  The financial capacity got stretched incredibly, which makes it much harder for promoted teams to stick around unless they get new ownership who injects a ton of money.  And the expansion of the CL at the same time increased the money at the very top of the PL which meant the top 4 (now top 6) became its own mini-division that also could not be broken into unless you had some external financing and/or a huge new stadium and international marketing.  The distance between teams grew enormous.

Lower league players don't get to play against the best teams now.  If they get drawn against a top 6 team in a cup, then they'll be playing bench warmers and kids.  Second tier PL players barely even get to play against top 6 teams: they're sent out to park the bus and hope to nick a goal from a set-piece.  The financial distortion is already destroying football.  You get more competitive games in the Championship than you do in the PL.  Watching a top 6 team gradually break down a deep defense isn't much fun for either set of fans or players, and certainly isn't helping the players develop.

Better to throw the financial elites into their own pool and let the other clubs have an open competition.

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Might be because I was supporting Ajax and am naturally a pessimistic football fan, but tonight’s result really has taken it to the point where ludicrously improbable Champions League comebacks are feeling rather blasé. As soon as the first goal went in, it seemed on the cards - though I wasn’t expecting the winner to come quite so late.

 

In no way are lower league football clubs prospering at the moment. Just today we have had Bolton and Macclesfield’s continued existence fall into jeopardy. Go and have a look at the Accrington owner, Andy Holt’s twitter if you are really interested in what it is like.

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10 minutes ago, Iskaral Pust said:

The financial distortion is already destroying football. 

 

 

13 minutes ago, Iskaral Pust said:

The PL dramatically changed the money.  The financial capacity got stretched incredibly, which makes it much harder for promoted teams to stick around unless they get new ownership who injects a ton of money.  And the expansion of the CL at the same time increased the money at the very top of the PL which meant the top 4 (now top 6) became its own mini-division that also could not be broken into unless you had some external financing and/or a huge new stadium and international marketing.  The distance between teams grew enormous. 

And you think that would be eased by a super league?  Also the bolded isn't really true at all, since the inception of the Prem plenty of teams have gotten promoted and stuck around, and sure, some of them have needed money, and others have been Bournemouth and Burnley (just from the most recent years).

 

20 minutes ago, Iskaral Pust said:

Second tier PL players barely even get to play against top 6 teams: they're sent out to park the bus and hope to nick a goal from a set-piece.

 

Apart from you dramatically ovestating how true this is (some teams do, some teams do sometimes, and Wolves didn't collect all those points against the top 6 by doing that at all), it's really coming off right now like you want to destroy all the smaller clubs because they temerity to try to win games against Liverpool. Because you are completely failing to acknowledge that that's what it would do.

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I still can't believe yesterday happened. I stop tracking the game from work at the half thinking it was in bag.

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Not that this will be too interesting to too many of you, but in the other sports threads I sometimes talk with the North Americans about how nice it is to be on the US west coast in terms of broadcast times.  A few downsides but mostly major upsides over the eastern seaboard.

But as I've been getting more into futbol it's just brutal in a sequence like the last few days where I was dying to watch these guys live and couldn't.  Sounds like both of these last two were just unreal to say nothing of the City / Kompany affair.  

The one time it's great for me is that I'm an early riser, and on the weekends I tend to get a nice PL match at 10:00 am at which time I'm usually thrilled to have it on.  Just brutal on these week days.  

But to underscore just how much it's an "I've been getting into futbol" I had to look up Moura's nationality.  I've come a long way, but I still have many blanks to fill in.  

ETA:  Also though just anecdotally (and maybe this would be slightly interesting to fans outside the US) there has been a dramatic increase in the availability of these matches just being broadcast, period, in the last decade or so.  So many more Americans watch and talk about this stuff then was the case in, say, the 90's.  

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I really don't know how it's not front page news, but Everton's U23 team completed their leage-and-cup double yesterday.

Clearly that deserves attention - it's not like some bigger football stories have happened lately.

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First off, what a crazy couple of days?! This has got to be the wildest Champions League I can remember.

Secondly, for years the English media and fans have been calling the EPL "the best league on the planet" and while the TV money and viewership has certainly been number one, there have been reasons to think that hyperbole. The Champions League in particular has had a way of "disproving" those statements. But, but...the style of play/pace of the league has led to the mentality that on any given day anyone in the EPL can beat anyone else. More so than anywhere else in Europe at least. And as of this year, the UCL final and maybe the Europa League final will be contested by all English sides. 

Is this the year the rest of Europe acknowledges that the Premier League, for all is boasting, is actually the best league in the world?

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Naw, one season doesn't accomplish that, any more than a season where only Arsenal reached the last four of either competition marked the Prem as shit and dead. These things swing quite quickly. A few years in a row of consistent success by several teams and we can start considering that claim.

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As a neutral its hard to decide who to support

- its nice for new teams to win, but I know loads of smug Spurs fans. 

- on the other hand it really winds up Man Utd fans how much better Liverpool have been in Europe than they have. 

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I look at it this way: there's a certain segment of people who look at both Klopp and Pocchetino and say 'yeah, but what have they actually won?'

By the 2 June, at least one of them will have won a European Cup. 

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As a Spurs fan it’s pretty hard for me because I really like this Liverpool side and Klopp is a sort of hero. I’ll be sort of happy whoever wins.. though Poch suggested he would leave if they did win.

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