Avatar: The Last Airbender live-action show on Netflix (now sans its creators).

[ASOIAFrelatedusername]

47 minutes ago, fionwe1987 said:

Firstly, why on earth does the show need to be "properly" anything? It isn't obliged to follow its inspirations 100%, and neither does ATLA.

Well a show should be properly written.

If you are fine with people misusing spiritual/religious imagery for the sake entertainment, then I want argue against it. I will say however that ATLA made better/more interesting use of the same imagery.

47 minutes ago, fionwe1987 said:

Secondly, no, Vaatu being held captive didn't mean evil ended. Nor is that true after his disintegration in the end of Season 2. He carries on, and the chaos and darkness he embodies never goes away. Hence the need for balance, which Raava initially provided by battling him constantly to keep his powers in check after he forced open the Sprit portals, and achieved later by Raava and Wan fusing.

Vaatu being imprisoned should have been a horrible disaster. It should bring imbalance (if you are committed to the ying-yang thing). If you want Raava to be sole great spirit embodying balance, then fine, but that doesn't work with the imagery.

47 minutes ago, fionwe1987 said:

No. Normal possession kills the human. Raava and Wan fused, and were only able to do so during Harmonic Convergence. Same for Raava and Korra, who is the first Avatar of this new cycle. It is not a possession, because if it was, killing the Avatar in the Avatar State wouldn't end the Avatar, since Raava could just repossess the reborn spirit of Wan. 

It's a special kind of possession, but it's still a possession. The fact that Raava and Korra can be separated shows that.

47 minutes ago, fionwe1987 said:

I'd like some proof of that, given how obviously wrong so many of the statements in the link are.

Avatarspirit was a big fansite back in the day. I cannot prove that their information really came from nick.com, but don't think that they were misrepresenting things. And what statements are "obviously wrong"?

47 minutes ago, fionwe1987 said:

They were the only ones who were physically in the mortal realm. Zhao specifically says so, and it is why they're susceptible to his fire bending, unlike other spirits like Hei Bai, who were not affected by bending one bit.

There is also Wan Shi Tong and Hei Bai was physical enough to destroy buildings. I also just rewatched the relevant parts and nowhere is it said than Hei Bai can't be affected by bending. Aang just never tries to fight him.

Tui and La might have been the only ones who took permanent residence on the ordinary side of the world, but there are plenty other spirits how are also part of this world

47 minutes ago, fionwe1987 said:

Uh huh. The Lion Turtle specifically says "In the era before bending, we bent not the elements, but the energy within ourselves. To bend another's energy, your own spirit must be unbendable, or you will be corrupted and destroyed."

Well thank you for the quote because it shows that energy bending predates regular bending which the humans of Wan's time clearly practice.

47 minutes ago, fionwe1987 said:

And this knowledge is used by Aang to energybend Ozai's bending away. So are you arguing energybending works only one way? That the opposite is possible, and that the Lion Turtles themselves can do it, are both clearly implied and stated in the bit of dialog from ATLA. There's no retconning here.

Let me change my sentence then:

It gave  him the ability to bend the energy within others and presumably himself.

That doesn't change much.

47 minutes ago, fionwe1987 said:

Not sure what this has to do with anything. The Lion Turtles are the only ones, outside of the Avatar, that could energy bend. Who is the rando who you're objecting to?

Wan and his patrol. They didn't show any great spiritual connection to fire.

47 minutes ago, fionwe1987 said:

Again, not mutually exclusive. By the time of ATLA, bending is hereditary, but you had to train to do it well. In the time of Wan, just being granted the ability didn't mean much. Wan stood out because he practiced his abilities with the help of dragons, and got spiritual connection, and then with the help of Raava, learned the other elements. Nothing

If you really want to be extremely generous you might say that it doesn't outright contradict it (but then you have to do the same with the Midichlorians)  , but it surely diminishes the original if these awesome power are getting granted and revoked on a regular basis.

Also how do you explain the original stating that people learned bending from the "original benders" in the world ar

47 minutes ago, fionwe1987 said:

Well I'm sold. Especially given how many details you missed from S2, clearly you have a great eye for substance.

ound them, i.e. badger moles, moon and ocean, sky bisons and dragons.

47 minutes ago, fionwe1987 said:

Yes, they're merely mentioned and don't fit in with any of the lore, and play almost no part in the main story. Which is why compariosn to Beginnings is nonsensical, because it is both consistent with ATLA, and what is revealed there drives the story not just for the rest of Season 2, but also S3 and S4.

The Midichlorians being easy to ignore makes much less annoying than  Beginnings.

47 minutes ago, fionwe1987 said:

Well I'm sold. Especially given how many details you missed from S2, clearly you have a great eye for substance.

And with that nice bit of unneeded sarcasm I am done.

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34 minutes ago, Rippounet said:

Yes and no. In the end, Amon isn't killed by Korra (only exposed), and Zaheer ends up helping her.

Korra is more prone to resort to force/violence than Aang, but it very seldom works. I'd argue her approach is only best against Kuvira who, ironically, mirrors Korra herself.

You are being more generous to Korra than I am, but I can see your point. Still I would liked to see her actually tackling the underlying issues that helped the villains into power.

34 minutes ago, Rippounet said:

That's a subjective appreciation. In the final analysis, I actually agree with you, but it's worth bearing in mind that we're talking about a fucking cartoon here. Do you know a lot of cartoons that attempted to tackle so many of these themes at once?
I can think of some that worked with a few of these themes, but Korra was truly ambitious.

I can see the ambition, yes, but I would be more willing to give Korra points for trying if they weren't all those other problems including season 2.

34 minutes ago, Rippounet said:

I hate the way the equalists were presented, but it's an American show so they were always going to botch that I guess, and season 1 had other merits. Season 2 was a fail imho, and not just because of the antagonist. But Zaheer and Kuvira were excellent villains that could introduce young viewers to the complexity of some real-world problems.

I somewhat disagree with Zaheer. Sure, he and his gang provide excellent fight scenes on par with the original (seasons 1 and 2 feel lacking in that regard), but his ideology is just hot air.

Kuvira should have replaced Mako/Bolin/Asami in season 3. As it stands now her imperialism feels like an inferior version of the Fire Nation's where the show had much more time to explore it.

34 minutes ago, Rippounet said:

You're the one who forgets that not everyone got a shot at redemption.

Ok you have to elaborate because I am not seeing what you are trying to say here and how that relates to characters facial features.

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[Rippounet]

8 minutes ago, ASOIAFrelatedusername said:

I somewhat disagree with Zaheer. Sure, he and his gang provide excellent fight scenes on par with the original (seasons 1 and 2 feel lacking in that regard), but his ideology is just hot air.

It was under-developed, because he had a point. If they'd developed what he was saying, it might have started making too much sense.

8 minutes ago, ASOIAFrelatedusername said:

Kuvira should have replaced Mako/Bolin/Asami in season 3.

The thought had occurred to me: she would have been a much better character if she'd been introduced early as a "good guy."

I won't deny that Korra is full of flaws.

8 minutes ago, ASOIAFrelatedusername said:

Ok you have to elaborate because I am not seeing what you are trying to say here and how that relates to characters facial features.

There were quite a few minor characters who looked evil, especially in early episodes.
In fact, if the Gaang hadn't spent a bit of time in the Fire nation (with Aang going to school), thus exposing the role of propaganda, I might be talking about ATLA differently. There are a few episodes that magnified the entire show.

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2 minutes ago, Rippounet said:

There were quite a few minor characters who looked evil, especially in early episodes.
In fact, if the Gaang hadn't spent a bit of time in the Fire nation (with Aang going to school), thus exposing the role of propaganda, I might be talking about ATLA differently. There are a few episodes that magnified the entire show.

Thanks for the explanation.

And now for something different: The timeline extension that the show is doing

I have to say that I am wary of it and wonder what they are going to fill the gaps with. I guess some time could be set aside for training, but that would still leave huge gaps in the story where the characters have nothing to do.

[Kalbear]

Yeah, I don't get how Zaheer's idea is all hot air. He might not be dealing with all the same information others are, but his ideology of no nations and no Avatar is hardly hot air - especially given the events of ATLA. He's also a very interesting concept of opposition to the air nomads - I really love it when they take different powers and reformulate the philosophy of using them. The Air nomads wanted to separate themselves from the bonds of the world and isolated themselves and desires; Zaheer wanted to separate everyone from the bonds of the world and allow everyone to live without kings or gods. 

Amon was similarly a great villain in terms of his message and who he was uniting under him, including Asami's dad. It's not a particularly unique story in fiction but they did it well and I thought it was a great twist to have him be a sham but exploit the desires of folks. 

Both had really good philosophical basis points for their viewpoints - far better than the Fire Nation and Ozai, and much more sympathetic. 

[ASOIAFrelatedusername]

3 minutes ago, Kalbear said:

Yeah, I don't get how Zaheer's idea is all hot air. He might not be dealing with all the same information others are, but his ideology of no nations and no Avatar is hardly hot air - especially given the events of ATLA. He's also a very interesting concept of opposition to the air nomads - I really love it when they take different powers and reformulate the philosophy of using them. The Air nomads wanted to separate themselves from the bonds of the world and isolated themselves and desires; Zaheer wanted to separate everyone from the bonds of the world and allow everyone to live without kings or gods. 

The issue with Zaheer is that he just wants to destroy things and thinks that will end in a better world. He doesn't offer any better alternative.

4 minutes ago, Kalbear said:

Amon was similarly a great villain in terms of his message and who he was uniting under him, including Asami's dad. It's not a particularly unique story in fiction but they did it well and I thought it was a great twist to have him be a sham but exploit the desires of folks. 

Any point Amon might have had is undermined by the fact that there was never any oppression against non-benders until he started shit. He also fails to justify taking normal people's bending away.

[Rippounet]

I don't think one could expect an American show for kids to present egalitarianism/socialism or anarchism honestly. Their defendants had to be villains, and their thoughts under-developed and/or caricatured.

That's why I am so generous with Korra. To do better might have courted actual backlash from angry parents.

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[ASOIAFrelatedusername]

Socialism is evil and anarchism is inane. It's a good thing that they aren't portrayed positively.

And I am not interested with those who defend them.

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[Kalbear]

41 minutes ago, ASOIAFrelatedusername said:

The issue with Zaheer is that he just wants to destroy things and thinks that will end in a better world. He doesn't offer any better alternative.

I absolutely disagree with this. He certainly does want to destroy things like the Earth Kingdom and the Avatar when he has a chance, but his whole viewpoint is that people should be able to choose for themselves once the pieces have been torn down. His goal is disorder of the world. Putting something in place would hardly be part of his ethos. 

41 minutes ago, ASOIAFrelatedusername said:

Any point Amon might have had is undermined by the fact that there was never any oppression against non-benders until he started shit. He also fails to justify taking normal people's bending away.

There was plenty of oppression against non-benders; the most obvious part here is that benders represented almost all of the leadership at every single level of every government anywhere. If you don't think that instills how unfair the world is and people don't feel represented...do you understand history? 

[Rippounet]

27 minutes ago, ASOIAFrelatedusername said:

Socialism is evil and anarchism is inane. It's a good thing that they aren't portrayed positively.

And I am not interested with those who defend them.

Friendly tip: put me on ignore right now then, it will save us all a lot of trouble further down the line.

Edited January 31 by Rippounet

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13 minutes ago, Kalbear said:

I absolutely disagree with this. He certainly does want to destroy things like the Earth Kingdom and the Avatar when he has a chance, but his whole viewpoint is that people should be able to choose for themselves once the pieces have been torn down. His goal is disorder of the world. Putting something in place would hardly be part of his ethos. 

Didn't he also want to kill the democratically elected Raiko?

 

13 minutes ago, Kalbear said:

There was plenty of oppression against non-benders; the most obvious part here is that benders represented almost all of the leadership at every single level of every government anywhere. If you don't think that instills how unfair the world is and people don't feel represented...do you understand history? 

Benders being represented doesn't equal oppression of non-benders. If we want to look at representation among rulers:

During ATLA it's 3 non-benders (Arnook, Hakoda, Kuei) vs 2 benders (Ozai/Azula/Zuko and technically Aang). During the Yakone incident we have at least 2 non-benders (Sokka and the Air Nomad representative) on the Republic City council and during Korra itself only Tarrlok is explicitely confirmed to be a bender. All in all there appears to be no discrimination either way.

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[Kalbear]

1 minute ago, ASOIAFrelatedusername said:

Didn't he also want to kill the democratically elected Raiko?

I honestly don't remember, but...so? The point is no kingdoms at all. Having elected leaders of a country means having countries. 

1 minute ago, ASOIAFrelatedusername said:

Benders being represented doesn't equal oppression of non-benders. If we want to look at representation

It absolutely does, and it's ridiculous to think otherwise. Oppression does not mean savage beatings by itself.

1 minute ago, ASOIAFrelatedusername said:

During ATLA it's 3 non-benders (Arnook, Hakoda, Kuei) vs 2 benders (Ozai/Azula/Zuko and technically Aang). During the Yakone incident we have at least 2 non-benders (Sokka and the Air Nomad representative) and during Korra itself only Tarrlok is explicitely confirmed to be a bender. All in all there appears to be no discrimination either way.

There is when you think about how many benders there are vs how many nonbenders there are in the world. We are told that bending is pretty uncommon - maybe 1 in 10 people, maybe far fewer - but government has 50% or more benders, benders are in control of every law enforcement system we ever see, it's built into the way the society is run and driven and the sports that people play. How is this not discriminatory?

At the very least can you see how non-benders might feel that way, even if you disagree? How would it feel to know that you cannot be part of the police or the military, and have almost no chance to exceed in the government? How would it feel to know that no matter how hard you work, or try, or do anything you can't be part of the sports systems? 

 

[ASOIAFrelatedusername]

8 minutes ago, Kalbear said:

I honestly don't remember, but...so? The point is no kingdoms at all. Having elected leaders of a country means having countries. 

And after countries come provinces who also leaders and then cities, towns and villages. All of these things have leaders. Does Zaheer intend to kill them to and reduce human society to the level of individual families?

12 minutes ago, Kalbear said:

It absolutely does, and it's ridiculous to think otherwise. Oppression does not mean savage beatings by itself.

What? If benders weren't being represented, then it would be oppression.

13 minutes ago, Kalbear said:

There is when you think about how many benders there are vs how many nonbenders there are in the world. We are told that bending is pretty uncommon - maybe 1 in 10 people, maybe far fewer - but government has 50% or more benders, benders are in control of every law enforcement system we ever see, it's built into the way the society is run and driven and the sports that people play. How is this not discriminatory?

You are making assumption from a ridiculously small sample size. Yes benders might have a simpler time getting some jobs because of their natural fighting capability. However that does not mean that they are excluded from law enforcement, those idiot cops from season 2 were never confirmed to be benders, or the military, see the Yuyan-archers or the Rough Rhinos.

There is simply no indication that non-benders face any kind of oppression, neither in ATLA nor Korra.

[Kalbear]

4 minutes ago, ASOIAFrelatedusername said:

And after countries come provinces who also leaders and then cities, towns and villages. All of these things have leaders. Does Zaheer intend to kill them to and reduce human society to the level of individual families?

You'd have to ask Zaheer, but his general unit of work is a family or small group (like the air nomads). He'd absolutely kill anyone in his way for this. My suspicion is that he'd depose any leader who was unwilling to listen to their people and who he felt was the representative in a system that could not be changed, but I don't know.

But the idea that he doesn't have a plan for it is ridiculous. You don't agree with that plan and that's fine, but it's entirely consistent and correct in his worldview. 

4 minutes ago, ASOIAFrelatedusername said:

What? If benders weren't being represented, then it would be oppression.

Benders don't have to have zero representation - that's why I said proportional. 

4 minutes ago, ASOIAFrelatedusername said:

You are making assumption from a ridiculously small sample size. Yes benders might have a simpler time getting some jobs because of their natural fighting capability. However that does not mean that they are excluded from law enforcement, those idiot cops from season 2 were never confirmed to be benders, or the military, see the Yuyan-archers or the Rough Rhinos.

I'm taking what I see. The Republic had basically nothing but metalbenders as cops. The earth kingdom military under Kuvira was almost entirely benders. The Dai Li were all Earthbenders. Virtually everyone in the Fire Nation military was a bender. 

Also, the 'have a simpler time getting some jobs' is EXACTLY what the problem the equalists are saying exists, so I appreciate you acknowledging that. 

4 minutes ago, ASOIAFrelatedusername said:

There is simply no indication that non-benders face any kind of oppression, neither in ATLA nor Korra.

There are plenty of indicators including the in-show representation that a whole lot of people are fucking pissed about it. There's the indicator above that you admit to - that nonbenders have trouble working in some fields compared to benders. Even after Amon leaves they're still pissed about it. We see benders - especially firebenders - routinely using their power to keep power and keep people down. 

You may not consider that to be oppression but you're simply wrong. Sure, we don't see pogroms or inquisitions of nonbenders (though I will say it is MIGHTY curious that the air nomads have zero nonbenders), but you don't need direct violence for there to be oppression, and the point of both Amon and Zaheer is that the whole society has been built on systemic oppression of nonbenders. 

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28 minutes ago, Kalbear said:

But the idea that he doesn't have a plan for it is ridiculous. You don't agree with that plan and that's fine, but it's entirely consistent and correct in his worldview. 

He never tells us his plan. He doesn't stick around in Ba Sing Se to help the revolutionaries organize a just, fair and equitable society and he never gives indication that he plans to. If his worldview is consistent, then it's consistently shit.

28 minutes ago, Kalbear said:

I'm taking what I see. The Republic had basically nothing but metalbenders as cops. The earth kingdom military under Kuvira was almost entirely benders. The Dai Li were all Earthbenders. Virtually everyone in the Fire Nation military was a bender. 

The Republic is only one city and it might entirely possible to join despite being a non-bender

I honestly don't remember the composition of Kuvira's army. It also doesn't count.

The Dai Li I give you

With the Fire Nation military also don't remember the exact, but there were definitely non-benders as well including the valiant private Wang Fire.

28 minutes ago, Kalbear said:

Also, the 'have a simpler time getting some jobs' is EXACTLY what the problem the equalists are saying exists, so I appreciate you acknowledging that. 

But that doesn't matter if it doesn't have an effect on people's lives. As it stands the discrimination is one where natural aptitude for fighting is being preferred in fighting-related job.

For example, there is no indication that non-bender are poorer then benders, there is no indication that non-bender are being treated as something lesser, even when the Boomeraang squad is in the Fire Nation. The only group of people who seem to see being a non-bender as something shameful are the Fire Nation royal family and that seems to only extend to their own members.

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[Kalbear]

2 minutes ago, ASOIAFrelatedusername said:

He never tells us his plan. He doesn't stick around in Ba Sing Se to help the revolutionaries organize a just, fair and equitable society and he never gives indication that he plans to. If his worldview is consistent, then it's consistently shit.

He absolutely tells us his plan - more detailed than almost anyone else. He isn't trying to stick around to let revolutionaries organize anything - he's against organization. He doesn't want a just, fair or equitable society, and says as much. 

I get that you personally hate his worldview and think it's garbage. I think it's pretty much garbage too - a combination of libertarianist trash, wishful thinking about people and some other random philosophy thrown in - but it also has some real core problems with the way things are run that do hit hard. More importantly Zaheer is absolutely consistent and dedicated to it. 

2 minutes ago, ASOIAFrelatedusername said:

The Republic is only one city and it might entirely possible to join despite being a non-bender

We don't see other cities and we don't see anyone joining. That said, the complaint from the Equalists is not about the world, it's about Republic City, so it hardly matters about the rest of the world. 

2 minutes ago, ASOIAFrelatedusername said:

I honestly don't remember the composition of Kuvira's army

The Dai Li I give you

With the Fire Nation military also don't remember the exact, but there were definitely non-benders as well including the valiant private Wang Fire.

There might be exceptions here and there but the vast majority of everyone here are all benders. Point of fact, the only military that doesn't have a lot of benders is the Water tribe - and from what I remember it's because the Fire Nation went and killed as many benders as it could. 

2 minutes ago, ASOIAFrelatedusername said:

But that doesn't matter if it doesn't have an effect on people's lives. As it stands the discrimination is one where natural aptitude for fighting is being preferred in fighting-related job.

Sorry, you're saying that being discriminated against in the job you want to do doesn't affect your life? That's an interesting take. You don't think being born to a cop and not having bending powers would have zero affect? 

2 minutes ago, ASOIAFrelatedusername said:

For example, there is no indication that non-bender are poorer then benders, there is no indication that non-bender are being treated as something lesser, even when the Boomeraang squad is in the Fire Nation. The only group of people who seem to see being a non-bender as something shameful are the Fire Nation royal family and that seems to only extend to their own members.

There's a whole lot of indication that nonbenders are treated worse - like the whole season 1 show. Do we see benders going around and kicking people? Only in ATLA and the gangs in Korra and the way the sports people treat others and...oh wait, I guess we see that quite a bit. 

Pretty sure that Aang's son who becomes a general is pretty bitter about not being a bender, too. 

[ASOIAFrelatedusername]

2 minutes ago, Kalbear said:

He absolutely tells us his plan - more detailed than almost anyone else. He isn't trying to stick around to let revolutionaries organize anything - he's against organization. He doesn't want a just, fair or equitable society, and says as much. 

1. Kill all those evil rulers (how deep the purge is supposed to go, I can't remember him explaining) and the Avatar

2. ....

3. Profit

7 minutes ago, Kalbear said:

Sorry, you're saying that being discriminated against in the job you want to do doesn't affect your life? That's an interesting take. You don't think being born to a cop and not having bending powers would have zero affect? 

3 minutes ago, Kalbear said:

We don't see other cities and we don't see anyone joining. That said, the complaint from the Equalists is not about the world, it's about Republic City, so it hardly matters about the rest of the world. 

In Korra that is, but we see that during Aang's time that there doesn't appear to have been any such restriction in place (if it even is a restriction in RC)

5 minutes ago, Kalbear said:

There might be exceptions here and there but the vast majority of everyone here are all benders. Point of fact, the only military that doesn't have a lot of benders is the Water tribe - and from what I remember it's because the Fire Nation went and killed as many benders as it could. 

There are lots of benders, yes, but nothing that hints at them being the "absolute majority". If benders are really being overrepresented, it's because they are on average better at fighting.

7 minutes ago, Kalbear said:

Sorry, you're saying that being discriminated against in the job you want to do doesn't affect your life? That's an interesting take. You don't think being born to a cop and not having bending powers would have zero affect? 

If you cannot do the job as well as any other, then that such, but that's not unjust speaking as a person with a minor disability.

9 minutes ago, Kalbear said:

There's a whole lot of indication that nonbenders are treated worse - like the whole season 1 show. Do we see benders going around and kicking people? Only in ATLA and the gangs in Korra and the way the sports people treat others and...oh wait, I guess we see that quite a bit. 

The stuff about non-benders being treated worse only starts when Amon has already significant support and conducted a major terrorist attack. Until then it's just assholes, who happen to be benders, being assholes to people who probably are non-benders. And that's, iirc, only a single incident (assuming you are referring to the crime Korra attempts to stop in episode 2). In ATLA it's not about benders being assholes, it's about the Fire Nation being assholes.

13 minutes ago, Kalbear said:

Pretty sure that Aang's son who becomes a general is pretty bitter about not being a bender, too. 

Well that's because the writers decided that they needed to tarnish Aang's legacy in order to make Korra look better by comparison.

And if I weren't overly sour over that plot-point, then I would say that Aang's supposed favoritism was a understandable mistake and not the result of a discriminatory attitude towards non-benders.

 

[polishgenius]

Having cut out a key part of Sokka's character arc, we now know they're also cutting out a key part of Aang's. 

[fionwe1987]

Sigh. I suppose I'll have to get used to saying "What live action show?"

[Werthead]

I think people were - or should have - been expecting this. It's eight episodes with each episode needing its own core arc, so they're not going to be cramming the events of three otherwise standalone animated episodes, each with a separate plot, cast and location, into each hour-long live-action episode. At least some of the standalone-appearing stuff was always going to end up on the cutting room floor. I think when we were discussing this at length a few weeks ago and putting together episode models, there were constantly 4-5 episodes of Season 1 that just had to be ejected because there was no room for them.

Personally I wouldn't have been limited to making 8 episodes every two to three years as anything approaching a reasonable model for this story (and a much, much bigger problem for Wheel of Time, obviously), but that's Netflix's thing for some reason. It's also a bigger concern for Seasons 2 and 3 in how you cut things without impacting the overall plot. Cutting, say, Appa's kidnapping for Season 2 would be a much bigger mistake.

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