Tywin's invasion of the Riverlands was done badly

[Alyn Oakenfist]

Just now, Canon Claude said:

So then why did you question this in the first place? Even you agree that he’s arrogant and underestimated his enemies, so then why dispute the way he managed his campaign? It seems in character for him to do a decent job, only to make mistakes when he got comfortable thinking he was winning.

I wasn't questioning it, merely pointing out it's many flaws. Tywin is a good, almost great political player, but I always got the feeling he was only a mediocre commander. No moments of brilliance in his career ever, and quite a few fuck ups (the Reynes wiping out half his armies in a sneak attack comes to mind as an earlier one)

[Loose Bolt]

5 hours ago, Lion of the West said:

Renly and the Tyrells are far to focused on the throne to take the long way around to attack the Westerlands first, and if they decided to split their strength to go in both directions, well, then Tywin who can use the Kingsroad to move between the Westerlands and Crownlands should have a pretty solid chance to react to any plan Renly puts into motion.

B4 his death Renly had access over 100 k warriors. So just in theory he could have sent some of them against Westerlands. Or he could have fed those soldiers by taking all food and fodder they needed by raiding lands that were owned by his enemies.

Besides if forces of Renly had invaded WL when Jaime's army did not exist anymore then Tywin would had to choose did he want to defend either his own lands or King's Landing. Or if Renly had survived long enough Tywin would had make some very troublesome decisions.

[Lion of the West]

2 hours ago, Loose Bolt said:

B4 his death Renly had access over 100 k warriors. So just in theory he could have sent some of them against Westerlands. Or he could have fed those soldiers by taking all food and fodder they needed by raiding lands that were owned by his enemies.

Renly could have done so, but men like Tarly are likely to have told him that unless that forces numbers at least a few tens of thousands strong, they're unlikely to be able to force anything and evenn then chances are that they would be bugged down in sieges. And like the Targaryens and Robb Stark found out, taking on the Rock in a siege is not a task for a single dragon or a raiding force. It would be all accounts need a considerable investment of forces. And to be brutally honest. Tywin isn't Edmure. If Tywin's smallfolk takes a couple of hits its unlikely to give Tywin a troubled sleep. The war between the Baratheons is for the Iron Throne and that's where everyone's focus should be. Looking at Roman civil wars, at least, its pretty obvious to me that if you want to become the next ruler of the empire, taking the capital is a number one priority.

But you are right in that Renly has more men than Tywin, no doubt about it. But then again given that Renly's path is to cross the Blackwater in the face of Tywin's army coming down from Harrenhall by the Kingsroad and then besiege King's Landing to where Tywin can fall back if driven from the crossings over the Blackwater, and all without much naval support, Renly may need a 5-1 superiority to ensure victory.

And after that bringing the Starks, Tullys and Greyjoys back into the fold.

 

[Ivan Tsarevich]

Removed.

[Lord of Oldstones]

 Tywin destroyed  and burned all of Riverlands but for Mallister and Frey lands. His invasion went very well. 

 

[Skahaz mo Kandaq]

It was more harassment.  And they did that very well. 

[Universal Sword Donor]

On 12/21/2020 at 8:58 AM, Alyn Oakenfist said:

Manstein would never have exposed himself like that.

If it's reminiscent of anything it's of the Schlieffen Place, a dangerous gambit to quickly deal with one front, one that created many weaknesses and ultimately failed due tot he attacker leaving a massive gap between their forces

Yes the guy who actively commanded in the German invasion of Russia would never have exposed himself like Tywin .... 

[The Young Maester]

2 hours ago, Universal Sword Donor said:

Yes the guy who actively commanded in the German invasion of Russia would never have exposed himself like Tywin .... 

Tbh it wasn’t all his fault. Hitler was the one that wanted to overextend the lines. He just did everything he could under the circumstances.