The Bard of Banefort Posted October 9, 2023 Author Share Posted October 9, 2023 Did people still do watch parties for HOTD, or was that strictly a GOT tradition? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dragon Demands Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, The Bard of Banefort said: Did people still do watch parties for HOTD, or was that strictly a GOT tradition? well there were some youtube reactor channels I know who watch as a group format for all shows they watch  Edited October 9, 2023 by The Dragon Demands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dragon Demands Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 (edited) Hey...HBO just dropped another one of those short behind the scenes clips with GRRM they should have released during Season 1 itself. Not much just 60 seconds of him talking about the Doom but he is having fun with a Lands of Ice and Fire map: Â Edited October 9, 2023 by The Dragon Demands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takiedevushkikakzvezdy Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 13 minutes ago, The Bard of Banefort said: Did people still do watch parties for HOTD, or was that strictly a GOT tradition? I'm sure people have watch parties for pretty much anything these days. The Dragon Demands 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Varys Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 On 10/9/2023 at 12:30 AM, The Bard of Banefort said: My biggest fear is that instead of portraying the Storming of the Dragonpit as the peasantry revolting against the aristocracy, HOTD will instead portray the smallfolk as imbeciles driven by misogyny against Rhaenyra (led by their chauvinist cult-leader the Shepherd). But that is what it is in the book, too. It isn't a rebellion against 'the aristocracy' but the evil bitch queen usurper and her lackeys. It isn't even a rebellion against House Targaryen as such. Sure enough, they kill all the dragons, but that is fear and madness, not political vision. The Shepherd wants the Targaryens gone, but most of his followers actually don't share that particular visions ... nor any of his other crazy ideas. The uprising happens because a weak and evil woman sits the throne and people think they can get away with killing her men and her dragons and even she herself (if they could get their hands on her) ... and they are not wrong there. They could do that. But it was nothing that could last in this world. If there is any worth to Rhaenyra's story - and there isn't much to it, really - then it is that this world does not, in fact, suffer a female monarch. Especially not one who is weak and/or makes questionable or silly decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dragon Demands Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 i wonder how many of those behind the scenes videos with GRRM they made but haven't released yet. Ones we randomly got the past few months clearly recorded for season 1 were on the Stepstones; the Triarchy; and now on the Doom of Valyria. There's stuff WE would have someone explain but what would GRRM himself be brought in for? Obviously these were all part of one big interview when he recorded that one on the Velaryons and Hightowers.... Perhaps one on the Blackwood / Bracken feud from episode 4? Or a solid 2 minutes of him gushing about the royal hunt scene's scale in episode 3? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takiedevushkikakzvezdy Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 14 hours ago, The Dragon Demands said: There's stuff WE would have someone explain but what would GRRM himself be brought in for? I guess they want to show that the author is actively involved.  He did several such videos for GoT as well, back when he was a writing an episode per season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dragon Demands Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 How odd…just now for HBO’s YouTube channel, they spliced together all 3 GRRM map videos into one big video (Stepstones, Triarchy, and the recently released one on the Doom). So now they’re all conveniently in one video:  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wondering Wolf Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 On 10/7/2023 at 6:21 PM, The Dragon Demands said: the book actually does mention in passing the Marston is from Driftmark I have seen this claim a few times now, but it is not really true. The Two Toms tell the people on Dragonstone that Marston and Aegon II are their cousins who lost their home when Spicetown was destroyed. We know for sure that this is a lie concerning Aegon and that Marston's mother was the sister of the older Tom, who was from Dragonstone. So it is more likely neither Aegon nor Marston were born on Driftmark. The wiki presents this cover-up as a fact which it should not do in my opinion. It even indicates Marston got his place in Aegon's retinue after the destruction of Driftmark, which is almost impossible. There were only a few weeks between the battle and the fall of King's Landing. Even if he had managed to get to the city somehow (definitely not by sea), Aegon would have never trusted someone whose home the greens had just destroyed. Ran 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dragon Demands Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 That’s big enough I’d ask @Ran about it. I did reread that section when the casting came out but the wording was odd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Varys Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 Marston Waters would definitely not be Driftmarkian by birth. He has Dragonstone relations, his mother seems to be from there, but his father - to whom he owes the Waters name, one imagines, as the son of some commoner wouldn't get a noble bastard name - would have been a nobleman from KL or with KL connections. Some Strong connection would be actually be strongest there, as Larys Strong picks him to take care of the helpless king. His plan could only work if he knew enough about Marston to ensure that the guy would not immediately sell out Aegon II to Rhaenyra's people the moment they set foot on Dragonstone. So if one wanted to speculate then Marston could easily be a bastard of Larys or Lyonel Strong - or at least a bastard of a trusted Strong retainer, explaining why Larys would trust him to the point that he does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 Don't think there's actual evidence that Waters is from Driftmark, as TWW says. Wiki should be corrected on this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takiedevushkikakzvezdy Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 2 minutes ago, Ran said: Don't think there's actual evidence that Waters is from Driftmark, as TWW says. Wiki should be corrected on this point. Isn't Waters the name of bastards from the Crownlands? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 10 minutes ago, Takiedevushkikakzvezdy said: Isn't Waters the name of bastards from the Crownlands? Yes, but that's a pretty wide area. The specific claim he's connected to Spicetown is, as noted, a cover story. Maybe it has a kernel of truth, but maybe not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Varys Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 Waters as a bastard name includes the Dragonstone and Driftmark area, e.g. one Aurane Waters, half-brother to the late Lord Monford Velaryon. Unless I'm mistaken it is the name you go with for for all the noble bastards from the Crownlands region, i.e. KL and the lands along the coast on the mainland as well as the islands Dragonstone and Driftmark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wondering Wolf Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 35 minutes ago, Lord Varys said: Unless I'm mistaken it is the name you go with for for all the noble bastards from the Crownlands region, i.e. KL and the lands along the coast on the mainland as well as the islands Dragonstone and Driftmark. I've speculated that Darke could be a bastard name for Duskendale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takiedevushkikakzvezdy Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, The Wondering Wolf said: I've speculated that Darke could be a bastard name for Duskendale. Duskendale is in the crownlands, though. Edited October 11, 2023 by Takiedevushkikakzvezdy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 Yes, Darke has a specific location and history. I suspect Waters is the more general bastard name in the Crownlands, but it's likely the case that seats of former petty kings may still retain their particular bastard names. The Masseys of Stonedance and the Bar Emmons of Sharp Point are also known to have been petty kings as some point in the past, so perhaps there are particular bastard names used there that aren't used elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dragon Demands Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 4 hours ago, Ran said: Don't think there's actual evidence that Waters is from Driftmark, as TWW says. Wiki should be corrected on this point. intriguing. This goes on the official list'o'questions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takiedevushkikakzvezdy Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 22 minutes ago, The Dragon Demands said: intriguing. This goes on the official list'o'questions Although it's always possible that GRRM would want to keep Marston's identity an unresolved mystery. The Dragon Demands 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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