King_Tristifer_IV_Mudd Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 Evil Jon is a bastard born in the North. Who rose up to a position of great leadership in the North. But his name is Ramsay Bolton. A bastard born of rape, whereas Jon was likely born of consensual sex, Mayhaps even love. Ramsay was raised at a mill by his mother and a disgusting servant of Roose. Jon was raised by his “father”, as a bastard, but an equal in other respects to his siblings. Jon always wanted to be Lord of Winterfell but would never have betrayed his siblings. Whereas Ramsay murdered his brother to steal his position. Ramsay is a sadistic, cowardly, scoundrel. Jon is unselfish, courageous, and honorable. Ramsay is Jon’s FOIL. Ramsay IS evil Jon. Aldarion, Morte, Craving Peaches and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craving Peaches Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 (edited) Yep, I agree, having done a big post on how Ramsay is Jon's shadow in Jungian terms. Edited June 21, 2023 by Craving Peaches Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongRider Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 Well, if I could call Ramsay evil bastard rather than another Jon Snow, then yes, the North does have its evil bastard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Fossoway Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 Both have similar narrative roots (although inversed and mirroring one another) but I wouldn't call Ramsay "evil Jon". Since both characters mirror each other, the next logical step is that Jon is "good Ramsay". Doesn't make sense. Antagonists? Sure. The pink letter made that clear. LongRider and Terrorthatflapsinthenight9 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 But, but, Ramsay never slew heroic Janos Slynt. Craving Peaches 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loose Bolt Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 16 hours ago, King_Tristifer_IV_Mudd said: But his name is Ramsay Bolton. A bastard born of rape, whereas Jon was likely born of consensual sex, Mayhaps even love Actually we do not know that. In fact it is possible that Lyanna was kidnapped and raped by orders of Aerys II bc he wanted to carry out bloodline theft. Or he wanted to kill all male Starks so any child of Rhaegar and Lyanna would be only heir to Winterfell. There is also bonus option that A2 wanted also replace too Dornish children of Elia. Or he wanted to use Jon as a mean to steal their possible inheritance. So originally Jon's purpose was to be tool for Aerys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King_Tristifer_IV_Mudd Posted June 22, 2023 Author Share Posted June 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Loose Bolt said: Actually we do not know that. In fact it is possible that Lyanna was kidnapped and raped by orders of Aerys II bc he wanted to carry out bloodline theft. Or he wanted to kill all male Starks so any child of Rhaegar and Lyanna would be only heir to Winterfell. There is also bonus option that A2 wanted also replace too Dornish children of Elia. Or he wanted to use Jon as a mean to steal their possible inheritance. So originally Jon's purpose was to be tool for Aerys. There is next to no evidence of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongRider Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 17 hours ago, SeanF said: But, but, Ramsay never slew heroic Janos Slynt. True, but Jon didn’t starve a wife to death either. Details, details. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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