The Queen has been cast.

[Gabriele]

You do know they can make breasts appear bigger, right? There are such things as bras? Sigh.

Or enhance them digitally like they did with Keira Knightley in King Arthur. Only they should make sure the boobies are not moving after the rest of the body as happened twice in the final action scene. :D

I don't think they need to change anything in thre first place. I've seen the forbidden link and I can confirm there's nothing wrong with Lena's two friends.

The obsession may have a reason (besides the overall male interest in the thingies) in breasts being a bit of a forbidden fruit in the US. Like feet were some centuries back in Europe, when the glimpse of a foot from under the skirt was considered erotic and showing in ankle would have been NC17. ;)

[mormont]

There's a spot in Clash where Cersei breaks down crying in front of Tyrion (remember the line along the lines of, Tyrion could not have been more surprised if Aegon Targaryen had burst through the doors, juggling lemon pies?), which implies vulnerability

Yes, it does, and there are other occasions on which she is genuinely vulnerable. There are also occasions on which Sandor is genuinely vulnerable. But that's not the same at all as suggesting that 'vulnerable' is the right look for someone playing these parts. By that logic every character should look 'vulnerable', because on occasion we all are.

and another where she shares a meal with him as a perfect charming host (leading to the line where he "almost felt guilty for poisoning her" or some such).

Again, charm =/= cute or vulnerable. I've never suggested Cersei isn't charming. I've wondered why you seem to assume that, and other stuff like flirting, necessarily means 'cute'. I'm sorry to harp on the point but it genuinely seems really weird to me.

[Ser Greguh]

Funny; I don't think I've seen one criticism of a male actor along the lines of "Sure, he can act, but does he have a fantastic schlong?"

Appearance is one thing. Dany needs to look somewhat young because she's young, for instance. That's a valid criticism. Commenting on specific body parts seems much different than that.

There have been multiple criticisms of both NCW as Jaime and Mark Addy as Robert in terms of the degree to which the actor's physical traits match those of their characters. The notion that this is a double-standard based solely on sex lacks validity.

[The Pita]

There have been multiple criticisms of both NCW as Jaime and Mark Addy as Robert in terms of the degree to which the actor's physical traits match those of their characters. The notion that this is a double-standard based solely on sex lacks validity.

Hell, I think there was one about Theon not being sexy enough.

[Kalbear]

There have been multiple criticisms of both NCW as Jaime and Mark Addy as Robert in terms of the degree to which the actor's physical traits match those of their characters. The notion that this is a double-standard based solely on sex lacks validity.

Your criticism of this actress for Cersei is based on a description found NOWHERE in the books. At least with Jaime/Robert's criticism, they were talking about actual descriptions and how they didn't fit. And I've not seen a single one exclaiming that NC isn't going to make a good Jaime because his nose is not a perfect button, or Robert's not going to be quite as good because he has slightly less bushy eyebrows and his cheeks aren't as red.

There's absolutely a double standard. If you can't see it - if you can't see why the idea that Cersei is voluptuous combined with the notion that Cersei is at all 'cute' doesn't easily prove a double standard - it's a shame.

ETA: To be clear, saying that an actor/actress isn't attractive enough is perfectly valid, especially when casting someone whose beauty is legendary or whatever. That's both subjective and described in the novels. But saying specific things like their rack isn't up to porn standards?

[SergioCQH]

Funny; I don't think I've seen one criticism of a male actor along the lines of "Sure, he can act, but does he have a fantastic schlong?"

Appearance is one thing. Dany needs to look somewhat young because she's young, for instance. That's a valid criticism. Commenting on specific body parts seems much different than that.

If an actor were cast as Gregor who is not taller than the Hound, the board would be in an uproar. There's no debate about penis size because it is not something mentioned in the books. Cersei's physical attributes are things that are mentioned repeatedly, most often by Cersei herself. She prides herself on her physical beauty and thinks condescendingly of those who lacks those qualities. As pointed out over at WiC, Cersei critiques other females who she perceives to be flat chested. If the character herself is concerned about such issues, then I'd say those issues are valid topics of discussion concerning her casting.

[The Pita]

I've lost you here...

Are you claiming Cersei isn't voluptuous, Cersei isn't cute, or she can't be both, or she has to be both, or there's some sort of double standard.

And just to remove the double standard:

I just saw Equus online, and Alfie Allen's dick isn't nearly big enough. Theon should be manly.

Happy?

EDIT- Sergio ninja'd me, I was responding to Kalbear.

[Lady Lannister]

Cersei uses her assets to get what she wants. Lena Headey's assets aren't worth much. ;)

[Gabriele]

Then there's a public function of some sort (I forget exactly which one) where Tyrion observes her engaging in some light flirting with men of the court and remarks at how good she is at it, which to me certainly implies some ability to be 'cute'.

To act the charming and cute part, I'd say. She's still our dear, cold hearted, lusting for power Cersei behind her smiles. :)

[SergioCQH]

ETA: To be clear, saying that an actor/actress isn't attractive enough is perfectly valid, especially when casting someone whose beauty is legendary or whatever. That's both subjective and described in the novels. But saying specific things like their rack isn't up to porn standards?

I see no difference between breast size and something like hair color. You're the one who seems to be attaching a sexual connotation to this, Kalbear. If HBO suddenly decided to make the Tullys brunettes instead of redheads, there would undoubtedly be criticism of the decision.

[Gabriele]

Robert's not going to be quite as good because he has slightly less bushy eyebrows and his cheeks aren't as red.

He's the wrong sort of fat, that's the problem. :P

;)

[Kalbear]

If an actor were cast as Gregor who is not taller than the Hound, the board would be in an uproar. There's no debate about penis size because it is not something mentioned in the books.

Hodor. Sam's fat pink mast. Probably Theon's at some point.

Cersei's physical attributes are things that are mentioned repeatedly, most often by Cersei herself. She prides herself on her physical beauty and thinks condescendingly of those who lacks those qualities. As pointed out over at WiC, Cersei critiques other females who she perceives to be flat chested. If the character herself is concerned about such issues, then I'd say those issues are valid topics of discussion concerning her casting.

And as long as she doesn't appear flat chested while making those lines, it'd be no problem, right? Again, y'all are aware that there is makeup, right? That they can do nice tricks with cameras to make people look a bit bigger than they are? That there are prostheses, outfits and other tricks that can shockingly make people look different than how they appear?

Again, I take issue with a criticism about a specific body part, especially one that comes from nowhere in the books as a basis.

I've lost you here...

Are you claiming Cersei isn't voluptuous, Cersei isn't cute, or she can't be both, or she has to be both, or there's some sort of double standard.

And just to remove the double standard:

I'm claiming that she doesn't have to be voluptuous, and that being voluptuous directly contradicts the slender description of her and Jaime. I'd also say that cute is not particularly apt for Cersei; cute is often given to infancy or young people, and not someone who uses sexuality as a weapon. Tricia Helfer is not 'cute'.

There's absolutely a double standard here. There's also an odd side quality where 'amazing beauty' means 'huge boobs'. As seen by this:

Cersei uses her assets to get what she wants. Lena Headey's assets aren't worth much.

[SergioCQH]

I just have a problem with people who will indulge discussion over details such as the shape of a nose or the tint of a person's hair and then turn around and castigate someone who--heaven forbid--mentions breast size. Maybe the problem is just in your head. Maybe the fact that you view breasts as sexualized--and thus taboo--is your personal problem.

[Kalbear]

I see no difference between breast size and something like hair color.

One is a fairly important point in the novel AND is easily cosmetically changed. The other is not mentioned anywhere in the novel.

I just have a problem with people who will indulge in discussion over details such as the shape of a nose or the tint of a person's hair and then turn around and castigate someone who--heaven forbid--mentions breast size. Maybe the problem is just in your head.

If you have a problem with this theoretical person, maybe you should bring it up with them? Cause I've never mentioned either except as things that haven't been said by anyone.

[SergioCQH]

One is a fairly important point in the novel AND is easily cosmetically changed. The other is not mentioned anywhere in the novel.

If you have a problem with this theoretical person, maybe you should bring it up with them? Cause I've never mentioned either except as things that haven't been said by anyone.

Well, let me see you go crusading against people who criticize NCW's nose Kalbear. I'd love to see that. I don't think Jaime's nose is mentioned in the novel either.

I think you're just getting a kick out of acting like you're somehow noble and enlightened and the rest of us are chauvinistic pigs.

[HP Loveshaft]

I can't wait for the Sam casting sometime down the road. I'm going to make it my goal to post "his penis is not fat or pink enough" as the first reply.

[Ran]

Hey, I'm noble and enlightened too.

People who go on about Coster-Waldau's nose are, frankly, every bit as wrong as those who go on about Headey's breasts.

And casting a guy shorter than the Hound as the Mountain would not necessarily be a problem, provided they were planning to make him seem taller or the guy was just way more massive so that his being "the Mountain" still makes sense. If they were to entirely ditch that and just have him be plain Ser Gregor, the Hound's not-as-big brother, well, I'd certainly wonder at that one. But I don't think we need to act as if every single person is going to be kneejerking a these things.

I hope we don't have people who end up being like some of the more annoying Tolkien purists, who simply harp on every minor deviation (and if Cersei's tits aren't a minor deviation, I don't really know what is) in the LotR film, every small detail about the actors not fitting, and so on. It's an adaption, it's an interpretation, and you're going to watch it anyways -- so focus on the good, people!

[Mongrel]

Casting is not about finding a perfect likeness of the visual image of the character.

That said, I like the image of this Cersei we've ended up with.

[Ser_not_appearing_yet]

Cersei's inner monologue concerning other women's 'teats' can be shafted, so it doesnt matter.

[SergioCQH]

I certainly never intended to harp on the size of Lena Headey's breasts. Really, this discussion has been carried this far by the people who have picked up on the passing mention of this one particular issue and cranked up their indignant rage and righteous vehemence over it.

I have a far bigger problem with Lena Headey's jaw than I do with her breasts.