Guest OsRavan Posted November 10, 2005 Share Posted November 10, 2005 it dopesnt matter whether people are on a philisophical level capable or incapable of uttering facts isntead of opinons. imo what matters is that people are attempting to push opinions as facts as we saw earlier in thsi thread. so to evidence .some hard proof. something in wriitng or a verba ltranscript that demosntrates this. "i dotn lke his books" or "i tihnk his recent books suck" are not evidence which holds any sway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maid Sansa Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 "i dotn lke his books" or "i tihnk his recent books suck" are not evidence which holds any sway. Then what is? Solo's leaving it all to you to decide... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Ronald Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 I find it amusing how much you all say that RJ is a hack and horrible writer.... Which of course means that you have all read his books. He's evidently doing something right!! RJ has some great, imaginative ideas......his execution hasn't always been top notch, but it his concepts that draw us into his books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest OsRavan Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 I already said waht was. go back and look. you havnt submitted any evidence yet though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xanrn Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 I already said waht was. go back and look. you havnt submitted any evidence yet though Yes Camp Lazlo it was... Anyway I own the entire series, lol. Rand who is not it the latest books enough has turned into a whiny little slave of atleast 4 Women. He has also gone completely stupid, honestly I never seen character regression as bad as Rand. The first 6/7 books he is developing into a strong leader who hops about making sure everything is going his way. Then boom he meets Cas the Super Bitch and his brains and balls go out the window. 1 to 6 he makes a bit who-ha out of using Mat and Perrin, in the latest books he has completely forgotten Poor Mat (he doesn't even know where he is) and is ignoring Perrin. Then he has the stones to MOAN that he doesn't have enough hands to fight everyone. HELLO YOU BIG DUMB LIZARD, the pattern gave you the greatest General is a 1000 years and you completely ignore him. Mat who was well used in the first 1-5 beging to slip of the radar in book 6 (honestly using your best general to escort you 2 ho's and then not even bothering to check his progress once in awhile). The whole Searching for the Bowl of Winds could have be done in LoC. Then the escape from Ebro Dar takes 2 sodding books, CoT was nothing but Mat traveling (woooha how sodding interesting). CoT should have been what happened in KoD and in KoD they should have rescued you-know-who and got back to Rand. Perrin another character who reached his pinnacle in LoC, then promtly slid into crap. 4 sodding books, 4!! For the whole Faile getting Kidnapped by the Shaido, then in KoD he finally does get her back yay at fuckin last. meanwhile the lack of Faile has turned him into a queen. Then finally HE DOESN'T EVEN end the sodding Prophet plotline. Elayne 3 books of fuckin shit Andoran politics and extremely CRAP politics at that. Elayne is a worse Queen than Cersei just surrounded by Moronic enemies and lucky as hell. (read: Plot Devices). But hey Elayne was a shit character to begin with. Egwene another fuckin limp arse effort at a plotline 4 books of her sitting outside Tar Valon doing FUCK ALL, atleast KoD was back to Egwene being an interesting character. Jordans plot lines are like British Country Lanes, they wind all over the place completely wasting the readers time with pointless SHIT. Martins plots are Romanish roads, nice to travel. If I didn't want to see a decent ending to the first 6/7 books which were good I would stop reading. You want to know something though, the whole nobody talks to each other IS UTTERLY CONTRIVED BULLSHIT. Then Jordan has the stones to fuckin defend it, oh its "realistic". What the hell kind of shit is that. Evidence he has lost the plot is all the novels since Crown of Swords. Can't be arsed with the stupid sell-out discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daeric Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 I find it amusing how much you all say that RJ is a hack and horrible writer.... Which of course means that you have all read his books. He's evidently doing something right!! RJ has some great, imaginative ideas......his execution hasn't always been top notch, but it his concepts that draw us into his books. Thats where the main beefy for the majority of this board comes from. They feel let down by RJ with the series and vent their frustration about it alot. Through it is getting abit boring nowadays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James O Rigney Jr. Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 Os, I greatly appreciate you trying to fight the good fight. However, I think it is time for you to stop. I have a major confession to make... I am a hack and a sellout. Discussion is over... Ia m NOT!!!!1! You LYIGN LIARW HO LEIS!!!!!!!! And my wfiei s not a bda editor!!!!!! She jsut spneds a lo tof tiem fixin gmy tpyos!!!!!1 - James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerold Hightower Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 I am a hack and a sellout.That's just your baseless opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltaran Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 Os, I greatly appreciate you trying to fight the good fight. However, I think it is time for you to stop. I have a major confession to make... I am a hack and a sellout. Discussion is over... Ia m NOT!!!!1! You LYIGN LIARW HO LEIS!!!!!!!! And my wfiei s not a bda editor!!!!!! She jsut spneds a lo tof tiem fixin gmy tpyos!!!!!1 - James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
groundmeat Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 that's classic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest OsRavan Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 whiel vaugly mausign that was a joke of someoen creatign na alt. that odes nto change the deadly seriosue ature of htis discusison or the fact that al lclaims of sleling out or hacking remain basless opinions not a fact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buried Treasure Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 i'd advise you guys to stop looking for proof that RJ is a sellout... according to my Archaeological Thought lecturer (a.k.a. the anti-Blairite Marxist who keeps spouting philosophical-ideas-that-nobody-understands-because- they-are-couched-in-overly-long-sentences-using-too-scholarly-words) there is no such thing as proof, only evidence. So we can evidence that he is a sellout, such as: ~his own admission (see above) ~his overly long series, with a gradual deteriation in quality, yet still having the same Recommended Retail Price for the recent volumes as the much better earlier books. With this evidence we can form a theory stating that Robery Jordan is a sell-out, but this is not proof. (Edited to break up that long word) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest OsRavan Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 that was not robert jordan above. you oenstly tihnk RJ popped int othis board to make a post in this thread? come now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buried Treasure Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 i think nothing i was just offering such evidence as presented itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest OsRavan Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 no proof has been fofered. and no that was not robert jordan. i am stil lwaiting for proof. until lthen its nto a fact, its a baselss opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buried Treasure Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 as I said above, you shouldn't wait for proof - there's no such thing. It is known. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerraPrime Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 and no that was not robert jordan. What evidence do you have, OsRavan, that the user with the handle is not the author himself? How do you know? You can't. You're presenting your guess as fact, aren't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williamjm Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 What evidence do you have, OsRavan, that the user with the handle is not the author himself? How do you know? You can't. You're presenting your guess as fact, aren't you? The post can't have been by Jordan since Jordan could never write anything so short Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest OsRavan Posted November 12, 2005 Share Posted November 12, 2005 salmsot cerainyl that was relic. are you sayign you hoenstly thoguht that was the real rj terra? i woudltn beleive you if you told me yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caligula_K Posted November 12, 2005 Share Posted November 12, 2005 Terra clearly wasn't saying that. The point was, you made a baseless opinon without any facts. You don't know for sure that it wasn't Robert Jordan, so, by your standards, its a baseless opinions, apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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