Swordfish Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 The wights, Catelyn and Beric and the other "undead" are very much changed, and in many ways diminished, compared to their former selves.And?Characters who appear dead did not stay dead, which is what you are claiming is good evidence that robb is gone for good.Now I happen to agree that Robb is gone for good, I just thought that that was a very odd way of refuting it, given all the other characters who appeared dead, but did not stay dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noroldis Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 Swordfish:Hmm, you're right on this. I should have said "it's worth noting that GRRM generally prefers characters who are apparently dead to stay dead." Mea culpa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinyskeeveuk Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 Hmmm.... in the first Theon chapter, when the Walders are coming to release him, they mention getting confused between Theon and another prisoner (presumably one who has been treated just as badly), could this be Robb? As mentioned, we never saw his head. The body could be anybody. We never have a first hand POV of the 'Wolfking'. And they only needed GW to 'prove' Robb dead.As for motive, could this be Roose having a back up plan? He has never given himself fully to one side or the other. If Ramsey is killed at Winterfell and Roose 'saves' Robb from his sons dungeons....And as for GRRM preferring characters to stay dead.... ask Uncat, the Mountain (Robert Strong?), Beric, Un-Brienne what it's like to be dead. They came back - albeit sometimes with a new name, but they came back!Crackpot, but I'm starting to believe Robb might be alive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frey Pie Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 I wish but sincerely doubt it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Undefeated Gaul Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 NIce theory, however it is extremely unlikely that Robb is still alive. However, in saying that, it seems that something doesn't quite add up, and we still may have some significant details yet to learn. Ha, imagine if the Freys just framed is death to fool the Lannisters, because they think he is AA and they are actually going to save the world and everyone hates them for no reason.......NOT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beets Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 Absolutely not. If this were true, I would lose all respect for Martin as a writer. Part of what makes his universe so compelling is that anyone can die, and when death becomes impermanent, it loses meaning. From a narrative perspective, this would be the worst move he could possibly make - reversing the most significant death in the series thus far. Swap out Jeyne and have her give birth to his kid - fine. But bringing Robb back ruins everything. I thought he was a fun character, I cried when he died, but no. Just no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Undefeated Gaul Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 Absolutely not. If this were true, I would lose all respect for Martin as a writer. Part of what makes his universe so compelling is that anyone can die, and when death becomes impermanent, it loses meaning. From a narrative perspective, this would be the worst move he could possibly make - reversing the most significant death in the series thus far. Swap out Jeyne and have her give birth to his kid - fine. But bringing Robb back ruins everything. I thought he was a fun character, I cried when he died, but no. Just no. :agree: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Titan's Legitimate Son Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 I can't help it, but I have this fantastic image of Robb in a Jamie-esque situation in a Frey dungeon, starved and scarred with a large wolf-like mane of hair - chained to a dark cell. Perhaps the Greatjon can discover him when he breaks out from The Twins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis 4 Prez Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 I also agree that this would be bad. Even though Robb was my favorite character before he demise, the RW is the defining scene of ASOIAF. It would be a shame to make it less significant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Undefeated Gaul Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 Unless, Martin just used it as a mechanism to advance the plot whilst having other plans for Robb?I highly doubt it though.Still wanna see the Greatjon cut loose.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beets Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 Unless, Martin just used it as a mechanism to advance the plot whilst having other plans for Robb?I highly doubt it though.Still wanna see the Greatjon cut loose....I don't think there's anything that could be done with the plot that merits as big as screw-up as bring Robb back. Robb being dead has changed everything in fundamental ways for everyone both in-universe and out. Even pretending to bring him back would be a mistake. Greatjon rampage... Mmmm... Possibly even better than Frey pie :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Undefeated Gaul Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 Yeah definitely agree with you there.And to think, Greatjon's son was murdered, as well as his king and companions.Gods help the Freys! haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Titan's Legitimate Son Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 Yeah definitely agree with you there.And to think, Greatjon's son was murdered, as well as his king and companions.Gods help the Freys! hahaHell hath no fury like an Umber who was mildly perturbed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beets Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 Gods help the Freys! hahaThe Gods will probably be grabbing buckets of popcorn. :PTitan: Yes, and I love your signature. Theoden wins at life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Titan's Legitimate Son Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 GREATJON SMASH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Undefeated Gaul Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Flashheart Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 Sword through the heart is usually fatal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Team_Rob Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Sword through the heart is usually fatal.Tell that to Lord Beric. He's taken a lot more punishment than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hear Us Roar Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Roose Bolton's involvment guarantees Robb's death Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolves Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Yeah he's dead :-( like I think really dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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