kissdbyfire Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 I find his chapters more vomit inducing than black humor but YMMV.Ideally, he should die in the first chapter. That'd work really well for me.Well for me would have been if he had never been created, really. I know there are other characters who are even worse as human beings, but he is definitely the one I dislike the most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kittykatknits Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 If there was ever a POV character who deserves an offscreen death, it's Victarion. Kill him off and just let us know he's dead in TWOW (yes, I know this won't happen).I'd be completely fine with this!Well for me would have been if he had never been created, really. I know there are other characters who are even worse as human beings, but he is definitely the one I dislike the most.Ah, ok. Then we're 100% on the same page, I wish he had never been created either.Love your Pink Panther avatar BTW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mother of The Others Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 How to light a glass candle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantôme Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 I find his chapters more vomit inducing than black humor but YMMV.For a while I wondered if I was supposed to take him seriously. Then the chapters with the double sacrifice by both drowning and burning happened, imo the single most not only horrifying but absurd and idiotic act in the series, that I couldn't help but picture as some stupid meme about the dumbest and cruellest character ever convinced he just had a genius idea , and I decided I wasn't.Also this line : "On wings of song I fly to you, Daenerys". I just can't seriously hate such a character.Incidentally , that would be a question I could ask to Martin: What reader's reaction did you expect for Victarion? Horror and hate or hysterical hilariousness? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kissdbyfire Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 I'd be completely fine with this!Ah, ok. Then we're 100% on the same page, I wish he had never been created either.Love your Pink Panther avatar BTW.You thought I was saying I liked him before? Seven bloody hells, no! I said 'hear hear' in agreement with your post! :PYeah, looooove the Pink Panther too! Ta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kittykatknits Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 For a while I wondered if I was supposed to take him seriously. Then the chapters with the double sacrifice by both drowning and burning happened, imo the single most not only horrifying but absurd and idiotic act in the series, that I couldn't help but picture as some stupid meme about the dumbest and cruellest character ever convinced he just had a genius idea , and I decided I wasn't.Also this line : "On wings of song I fly to you, Daenerys". I just can't seriously hate such a character.Incidentally , that would be a question I could ask to Martin: What reader's reaction did you expect for Victarion? Horror and hate or hysterical hilariousness?I can understand where you are coming from but I just can't find it funny. It's completely over the top but reading it on the page just makes me uncomfortable. But I do agree that this would be a great question for Martin.You thought I was saying I liked him before? Seven bloody hells, no! I said 'hear hear' in agreement with your post! :PYeah, looooove the Pink Panther too! Ta.Gotcha. The quote you were referencing had the bolded lines so I thought that was what you were agreeing too. I understand now. Thanks for clarifying.Edit: Spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House_Scattergood Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 Is Jon dead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kittykatknits Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 Is Jon dead?He's not. Martin practically gave it away at an EW interview when asked about it. His response was something like "oh, you think he's dead, do you?" We may not know what will happen next, but it's pretty certain that he's not dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword in the Morning Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 First off, Victarion is hilarious. He's exactly what he's been described as from the very beginning: a gruff, straightforward, simple soldier of an ironborn. He's like a big dumb dog, and if he weren't so vicious it would almost be endearing. The burning/drowning idea had me in stitches. Other, more complex characters would have had an internal conflict, wondering "is the Drowned God truly worth serving? He has never granted me any results, and yet this new Red God has, in a short time, worked wonders for me and saved my life. But how can I turn my back on the traditions of my people?" Nope, not our Victarion. He just garbles the rites of the gods, suggests that he is giving them each their due (even though it's wildly inconsistent with either god's belief structure), and calls it a day. Ya big, dumb animal. As for my question? I'm gonna go with asking whether Shae ever truly loved Tyrion, and was merely frightened into giving the testimony she gave/fucking Tywin. Some people might consider it a stupid question, and, fair enough--she seems as though she turned out to be the cold hearted whore he suspected all along. And yet...there's always that niggling doubt. She did say she loved him, that morning in the room full of skulls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Groat Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 She did say she loved him, that morning in the room full of skulls.Note that she did not have "her" gowns, gold, and jewels at that moment. What would her words be if she had all she'd earned and also a means to leave unharmed at that moment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword in the Morning Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 Note that she did not have "her" gowns, gold, and jewels at that moment. What would her words be if she had all she'd earned and also a means to leave unharmed at that moment?Dunno for sure, that's why I want to ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pomp & Happenstance Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 My question is quite simple..."If you had to tell the entire aSoIaF story, start to finish, in 4 hours... What would you say?" - I would then wait for 4 hours while he answered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valyarian rose Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 He's not. Martin practically gave it away at an EW interview when asked about it. His response was something like "oh, you think he's dead, do you?" We may not know what will happen next, but it's pretty certain that he's not dead.And which interview might that be? Do you have a link I could read/watch that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kittykatknits Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 And which interview might that be? Do you have a link I could read/watch that?I think it's referenced over in the Citadel somewhere. I don't have it bookmarked. It came out months ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolorous Ali Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 I'd keep my mouth shut. He wouldn't give away anything important, not until the series end. And when it ends, I will think of the most important thing to ask him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
molten the andal Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 I will ask him how long is it going to take him to finish the books? When I'm a grandpa? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantôme Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 And which interview might that be? Do you have a link I could read/watch that?Here it is:http://shelf-life.ew.com/2011/07/21/dance-with-dragons-shocking-twist-g/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harty Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 After ASOIAF is finished, will you continue to write other novels set in the same universe?andWill we ever get any prelude novels, such as Robert's Rebellion, or tales from Euron's adventures? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lorrd pytyr peristalsis Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 I actually wish someone would ask him this in a Q & A session after a reading. Why not? It's a valid question. It offers insight into just how deep Ramsay's hatred of Theon goes. I also wish someone would ask him, just to see if he answers, whether Ramsay actually wrote the letter to Jon from the end of ADWD. I'm curious about whether he ever intended that to be ambiguous, or whether he would be like, "duh, Ramsay." If he refuses to answer, whoa, that could set off another gajillion posts, because it means there actually IS some intended mystery about it.I don't think Ramsay actually hates Theon/Reek, I just think is a sexual sadist and one fucked up piece of shit who just enjoys hurting people in his control. I can't wait to see how many pieces he gets chopped into. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Groat Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 I don't think Ramsay actually hates Theon/Reek, I just think is a sexual sadist and one fucked up piece of shit who just enjoys hurting people in his control. I can't wait to see how many pieces he gets chopped into.Yup. And the only reasons that Theon wasn't killed are that Ramsay remembers the way Theon treated him when Theon was Lord of Winterfel and as the presumed heir to the Seastone chair Theon might just be ransomable at some point. (I don't credit Ramsay as foresighted enough to plan on Theon's usefullness at getting the Ironborn to surrender.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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