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This was the best episode of the season so far for me. So much awesomeness from the very beginning to the end!

The Good:

I freaking squealed out loud at Roose's mention of his bastard at the Dreadfort. YES! Ramsay is coming. Maybe not this season, but he surely is coming...and I can't wait to meet that sick bastard fuck on tv. :devil:

Fucking loved Ygritte. The actress looks great and she really sold herself as Ygritte to me. She's so adorable in her big furs. Ygritte, my girl.. can't blame her for trying. :cool4: She cracked me up with her grinding and Jon's reaction to her was priceless. I adored this couple in the books and so far I'm already loving them on the show.

I'm totally digging Dany's side plot. Its interesting and Emilia would have gone to waste this season if they kept her story by the book, being that she didn't really have a whole lot except the HotU. I wonder if Doreah betrayed her...I'm sad that Irri died because I liked her :frown5: . I like the sassy spice king. I do love Dany, but its good to not have everybody immediately kiss her ass just because she's a Targ, has dragons, etc... I also find Xaro ten times much more interesting and appealing on the show, than in the book. He annoyed the hell out of me in the books.

Theon taking Winterfell was heart-wrenching and conflicting for me. I was so sad for Bran and Rickon and their actors really sold their grief and despair at loosing Ser Rodrik(who went out like a boss). It was conflicting because Theon being a fav of mine, I still hated seeing this happen. He was so stupid, desperate, pathetic, and unnecessarily brutal, yet I can still see the very deep, sad, and human motives for his gigantic and consecutive fuck ups. Also:

Also: Oh, hi Brienne! Tywin and Arya continue to rock. Jaqen continues to be a sexy beast. Sandor saving Sansa... :love:.

The Bad:

Alas, there was no "Brotherfucker!". I really wanted that included, but oh well, at least Joff gets the shit thrown in his face. No shirtless Genry or Jaqen bath scene... :drool:

The Shallow:

Robb is hot and Talisa/Jeyne/whatever is pretty. That's all I gotta say about that.

Jaqen is freaking smoldering!(In case I forgot to say that)

Dagmer has a sexy voice :leaving:

Actually, the mob did scream brotherfucker, you can faintly hear it just as they escort Cersei into the red keep : p

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I'd like to say, while I liked the episode as a whole, I really enjoyed the subtleties, the little things that emphasize the story or characters, something you might not see on first watching but it's there. Such as....

  • I liked the parallel between Ned's and Sir Rodrick's beheading, namely how Maester Luwin shielded Rickon from seeing it, such as Yoren shielded Arya from seeing it last season...
  • I liked how Tywin received LF.... did not bother calling him Lord, just... 'Baelish'... ;)
  • I liked Joff's question about Bran being a prince.... Well, he kind of is actually, but good on Sansa to say no.....
  • I liked how during the riot scene Tyrion picked up that shit is coming and ordered Tommen back to safety before it begun....
  • I loved Sandor rescuing Sansa....how he steadied himself for a second after killing the last guy before turning back to her to say she's all right...
  • I loved how his voice quivered a bit when he brought her back to the keep and was telling them she is injured...
  • I liked the way how Tywin was portrayed when talking about his father, suddenly he seemed like an old tired man, fighting a war, having to deal with incompetent soldiers and so on.....it was really getting to him at that moment I think...

I don't really care about Dany anymore, I tend to skip her chapters when re-reading and I find myself skipping her scenes when re-watching.... But I have to say I loved the spice king putting her in her place.... ;))))

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Actually, the mob did scream brotherfucker, you can faintly hear it just as they escort Cersei into the red keep : p

Oh word! I must have missed it. Now I must rewatch and listen for it. :)

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  • I liked how during the riot scene Tyrion picked up that shit is coming and ordered Tommen back to safety before it begun....

something else I have noticed ... just where exactly is Tyrion ordering Tommen to be brought??? The company was on their way back to the Red Keep from th harbour, were they not? Not the other way round. So if Joffrey and the others are continuing to the castle - is Tommen being brought back to the harbour or what to wait out he riot on the wharfs??? Another instance of thoughtless sloppy writing IMHO.

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I have two questions, one regarding Osha's behaviour toward Theon once he's taken Winterfell, and one regarding Cersei and Tyrion.

Why doesn't she killed him in his sleep before escaping with Bran and Rickon? Maybe there are things skipped in the show that were in the book, explaining this, but I haven't read the books yet. I will start shortly though.

Same for the decision Tyrion made of sending Myrcella to Dorne, wasn't it just a trap to see which of the member or the small council was phony? What if Baelish had told the Queen, would Tyrion have sent the girl to the Eyries? And how come Cersei cannot stop it? Where is Jeoffrey in all this?

By the way, I miss characters like Varys...

Beside that, I find Jon Snow more and more annoying, his relationship with his prisoner just doesn't sound right. There is something "fake" about it, and I guess the neat face of that sweet ginger girl doesn't help the picture being realistic.

On the bright side, I like the Tywin/Arya duo, it's a very interesting situation where they both get to know each other but always with that underlying tension because of Arya's real indentity.

Tyrion is clever and quite daring, but with a kind heart, which is a bit of fresh air in the stench of King's Landing and his king.

The execution of Rodrick by Theon is for me the most powerfull moment of the episode, and his last words "Gods help you Theon Greyjoy, now you are truly lost" echoe to my ear everytime I see him. The actor Alfie Allen really does an amazing job.

Edited by Edmund Cardinal

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I have two questions, one regarding Osha's behaviour toward Theon once he's taken Winterfell, and one regarding Cersei and Tyrion.

Why doesn't she killed him in his sleep before escaping with Bran and Rickon? Maybe there are things skipped in the show that were in the book, explaining this, but I haven't read the books yet. I will start shortly though.

Osha isn't the one in his bed in the book; it's just some random girl he's using for a bed-warmer. The show combined them, both to give Osha more to do as well as to avoid casting another actress whose salary would needlessly eat budget $$$.

Same for the decision Tyrion made of sending Myrcella to Dorne, wasn't it just a trap to see which of the member or the small council was phony? What if Baelish had told the Queen, would Tyrion have sent the girl to the Eyries? And how come Cersei cannot stop it? Where is Jeoffrey in all this?

He used her marriage for the trick, but he intended to offer her to Dorne all along. In the book, he stays with Pycelle until the raven is sent. Thus far, Dorne has stayed out of the war and he's trying to win their spears for the Lannister side. Cersei is Regent, but Tyrion is the Hand of the King, and she can't rescind the offer without insulting Dorne -- Joff is underage, so they both overrule him, but he couldn't care less about Myrcella anyway.

Edited by J.S. Crews

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much discussion of book vs tv authenticity, but I'm rather glad the depiction of Osha naked wasn't too authentic ;-)

not sure how they;r going to drag the Jon/Ygritte story back on track though without Quorin

Edited by Bron son of Bron

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much discussion of book vs tv authenticity, but I'm rather glad the depiction of Osha naked wasn't too authentic ;-)

not sure how they;r going to drag the Jon/Ygritte story back on track though without Quorin

Have faith. We'll be seeing Quorin again.

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I'm so disappointed because of the absence of Meera and Jojen...and also Dany's storyline isn't that great in the show (even less than the one in the books in my opinion).

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I'm so disappointed because ... {snip} ... Dany's storyline isn't that great in the show (even less than the one in the books in my opinion).

I'm holding out some faith for Dany. She basically did nothing in ACoK (she only had, I think, 5 chapters in the whole book, which is why they added so much non-book stuff to this season, in an effort just to give her something to do), so the jury is still out, asaic. We'll have to see what happens with her story next season and beyond.

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great episode. however am i the only one who rolled my eyes when dany started with the "I AM DAENERYS STORMBORN TARGARYEN........." speech?

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I'm re-watching S2 on Blu-Ray and thought I'd comment on each episode w/ their respective special features as I go. Yes, I know there's a general S2 blu-ray thread, but it's a long and unwieldy beast. I'm wondering what people think about each episode after a second viewing and w/ the added bonus of the commentaries, histories, maps, etc.

No new histories at all, just one's from previous episodes, but the one's narrated by Ygritte on the Night's Watch and Free Folk (wildlings) were so good I watched them again.. The audio commentary on this is very good, too. Jon and Ygritte (Kit and Rose) share some great stories about on and off the set in Iceland. Writer Vanessa Taylor is there as well and she's a bit annoying. Apparently she labored hard in research on several speeches (one by Tywin and the other by a septon) that only ended up being background in their scenes. Also, she was on set in Belfast a lot and seemed to question the director a lot--so I'm sure he'd back me up here in her annoyingness. :P

Edited by PetyrPunkinhead

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On 7 May 2012 at 3:46 AM, teemo said:

Favorite episode of the season. And a Bolton bastard was mentioned...yesssss!!!

I bet you're all sick of him now!

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