butterbumps! Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 \it is not only a taboo. You are gay because you have problems with your hormones, you dont just choose to fuck guys.So there is no way 10% of the Earths population has the same problem. Even 1%.All the other gays that 'choose' to be, only do it because with the mass media now society kinda accepts itThat wasnt the case in Late Medieval.sorry if i seem angry, im not so good with English :DI'm not sure this is the best way to say that. I wouldn't call being gay a "problem," and I don't think homosexuality increases because of wider acceptance. I think more people have become open about their homosexuality in the advent of wider acceptance.no way the main protagonist of a fantasy series, being described as a man with a happy family, 5 children and in love with his wife is gay and likes Roberts the taste of the rob-cock.Plus, no evidence from Catlyns POV, who is inlove with Ned and remembers LF as a childhood friendI don't think anyone is truly contending that Robert and Ned are actually in love. I think this was intended as a lighthearted, cute thread that posited this notion with just a hint of pleasant absurdity. (Sorry Winter's Knight if you're actually serious about this. If so, I regret spitting out my coffee when reading the OP :cool4: ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned's Epic Beard Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 What about Rheager and Arthur Dayne? Seems like they were very 'close'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toccs Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 What!!? You guys weren't serious. Ah man I was ready to fully invest in this theory. :ohwell: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyanna Stark Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Hell Robert probably suggested the whole "marry Margaery so you can be closer to Loras" idea to Renly because it was the exact plan him and Ned had with Robert marrying Lyanna.Indeed. Robert was ever the great brother to Renly and so very helpful. Why do you think Stannis felt so hard done by? Robert didn't help him in his quest for true, manly love, nor did he grant him Storm's End, despite Stannis being ever the dutiful brother. No! Instead Stannis had to go to the Wall to find the man of his dreams.What about Rheager and Arthur Dayne? Seems like they were very 'close'.Indeed they were, indeed they were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Paramount of Essos Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Why can't you have a bisexual main protagonist to a fantasy series? Is there some kind of rule?Although seeing as he dies before teh end of teh first book he can't really be described as the main protagonistI didnt say you cant have a guy protagonist.I said that you cant have a gay protagonist with a happy family with 5 children, a wife he loves and not a single proof of his homosexual side except of 'he was like any maids dream' which is probably a way of the writter to tell how Robert used to be more vividlysince then we get the Sansa POv that explains what a maids dream is and how is the total opposite of todays Robert. So it becomes clear how robert has changed.Also, if he is indeed gay i belive it would have many more text references and not just a crackpoint theory 15 years later.(i think that is what 'vivid' means) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butterbumps! Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 I didnt say you cant have a guy protagonist.I said that you cant have a gay protagonist with a happy family with 5 children, a wife he loves and not a single proof of his homosexual side except of 'he was like any maids dream' which is probably a way of the writter to make the description more vivid. (i think that is what 'vivid' means)I take it you've never seen American Beauty (though not the main protagonist, I think it addresses your believability concerns). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toccs Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Indeed. Robert was ever the great brother to Renly and so very helpful. Why do you think Stannis felt so hard done by? Robert didn't help him in his quest for true, manly love,I wouldn't be so sure. Who do you think sent Davos with all that food?Davos was a well known smuggler, no doubt Robert had heard his little brother wistfully telling tales abotu the exploits of the famous Davos the Smuggler. So when Robert heard that Stannis was beseiged and starving he knew there was only one man to send.Robert Baratheon the best big brother in Westeros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lummel Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 What about Rheager and Arthur Dayne? Seems like they were very 'close'.But tragically one of them was sworn to celibacy, even though as is known from Jon Connington's POV, Rhaeger turned everybodies head.Indeed. Robert was ever the great brother to Renly and so very helpful. Why do you think Stannis felt so hard done by? Robert didn't help him in his quest for true, manly love, nor did he grant him Storm's End, despite Stannis being ever the dutiful brother. No! Instead Stannis had to go to the Wall to find the man of his dreams...Storm's End eh? Is that the castle with the hard, stiff, towers, reaching into the sky. Seems a bit symbolic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olde_and_Tired Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Didn't Robert practically ask Ned to run away with him and go adventuring in Essos. Also remember when the King's escort first arrived in Winterfell the very first thing Robert asks demands is for him and Ned to go and "pay their respects" alone in the crpyt. Sounds almost exactly like the way that Jaime was so deparate to have sex with Cersie after being reunited with her after their long separation.This is also the reason why Robert gave Renly Storm's End, because he sympathized with his younger brother goign through the same forbidden desires, and why both Robert and Renly resented Stannis who's up tight consvervative nature caused him to look down on both of them.Find it unlikely that Renly even knew what his sexual idenity was at the time Robert gave him Storms End given the fact that he was like 5 at the time. Just to add to this fun topic, is there any eviedence of Robert being a good father to anyone but Mya Stone? Is it purely coincidental that one of the few if not only example of Robert as a good father is with NEd at his side in the Vale? Probably. It was his first offspring, but still there is Ned right by his side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lummel Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 ...Is it purely coincidental that one of the few if not only example of Robert as a good father is with NEd at his side in the Vale? Probably. It was his first offspring, but still there is Ned right by his side.Ah...you're thinking three in a bed aren't you? Could be, could be... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarl the climber Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 I wouldn't be so sure. Who do you think sent Davos with all that food?Davos was a well known smuggler, no doubt Robert had heard his little brother wistfully telling tales abotu the exploits of the famous Davos the Smuggler. So when Robert heard that Stannis was beseiged and starving he knew there was only one man to send.Robert Baratheon the best big brother in Westeros.I don't know. In the TV show Stannis told Davos that every man wanted to kiss him when he showed up with that food. Was he dropping a hint. But Davos responded by saying he was glad they didn't. So maybe Robert wqas torturing him by sending him this hetrosexual man he could never have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toccs Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 I don't know. In the TV show Stannis told Davos that every man wanted to kiss him when he showed up with that food. Was he dropping a hint. But Davos responded by saying he was glad they didn't. So maybe Robert wqas torturing him by sending him this hetrosexual man he could never have.Well it's not Robert's fault that Davos wasn't into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyanna Stark Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 I don't know. In the TV show Stannis told Davos that every man wanted to kiss him when he showed up with that food. Was he dropping a hint. But Davos responded by saying he was glad they didn't. So maybe Robert wqas torturing him by sending him this hetrosexual man he could never have.Davos is just being faithful to his one true love Stannis here.Besides, we know Robert was thoughtful enough to recommend Selyse, a woman with a proper manly moustache.Storm's End eh? Is that the castle with the hard, stiff, towers, reaching into the sky. Seems a bit symbolic...Which would also explain why Stannis felt so hard done by when he lost it to Renly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Pepper Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 no way the main protagonist of a fantasy series, being described as a man with a happy family, 5 children and in love with his wife is gay and likes Roberts the taste of the rob-cock.Plus, no evidence from Catlyns POV, who is inlove with Ned and remembers LF as a childhood friendI didnt say you cant have a guy protagonist.I said that you cant have a gay protagonist with a happy family with 5 children, a wife he loves and not a single proof of his homosexual side except of 'he was like any maids dream' which is probably a way of the writter to tell how Robert used to be more vividlysince then we get the Sansa POv that explains what a maids dream is and how is the total opposite of todays Robert. So it becomes clear how robert has changed.Also, if he is indeed gay i belive it would have many more text references and not just a crackpoint theory 15 years later.(i think that is what 'vivid' means)Poor guy. I have a fondness for cripples, bastards and secret gays so I'm going to put you out of your misery. This is a joking thread. No one is being serious. Except for you and maybe one or two others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1234567 Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 What about Rheager and Arthur Dayne? Seems like they were very 'close'.Why do you think Rhaegar named him his "Sword of the Morning". @Butterbumps I love your description of this thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Paramount of Essos Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Ok now that it is clear its a joke am happyAnd i feel so stupid :bang: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Paramount of Essos Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 I take it you've never seen American Beauty (though not the main protagonist, I think it addresses your believability concerns).Thats a movie and it is alot different because we see the characters(sean bean didnt seem gay) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kittykatknits Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 I'm not sure this is the best way to say that. I wouldn't call being gay a "problem," and I don't think homosexuality increases because of wider acceptance. I think more people have become open about their homosexuality in the advent of wider acceptance.I don't think anyone is truly contending that Robert and Ned are actually in love. I think this was intended as a lighthearted, cute thread that posited this notion with just a hint of pleasant absurdity. (Sorry Winter's Knight if you're actually serious about this. If so, I regret spitting out my coffee when reading the OP :cool4: )What do you mean? I just started a re-read of GOT looking for more evidence.Well it's not Robert's fault that Davos wasn't into it.Hmm, maybe that is the real reason why Davos urged him to go to the Wall, a place where men are sworn to take no wives?Stopping the Wilding attack had nothing to do with defending Westeros, it was just a way for Stannis to check out the competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned's Epic Beard Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Why do you think Rhaegar named him his "Sword of the Morning".He would know!. Also Rhaegar seems like a girly man(musician, poet) by westerosi culture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Paramount of Essos Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 i dont want to be mean but..Actually there is quite a lot you can read about homosexuality in the Middle Ages and in most time periods. If you just look at London through the ages, Catherine Arnold wrote a great book called City of Sin, which goes into the naughtier side of London through its history from the Romans onwards. yeah, London has quite a reputation but i was talking worldwide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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