LordStoneheart Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 I love Stoneheart.Beric's original BWB I thought was too self-righteous even though they were clearly just bandits.Stoneheart is ruthless. She has a plan. Feed the Crows.I want her to kill as many as she can, starting with Jaime. Brienne is cool, but I could care less about her if she lives or dies. She's too small of a character in the grand scheme of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sullen Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 Stoneheart.The BwB under Stoneheart is something I rather enjoy reading about, they are truly terrifying.Under Dondarrion, they felt like a bunch of Merry Men knock-offs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Selig Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 Beric may have had his faults but he proved to be focused on protecting the smallfolk, and he didn't kill children. How do you know this? None of those present when Pod was hanged seem to consider it unusual at all.UnCat is focused purely on revenge Wrong. The BWB are still protecting the smallfolk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Believe in Stannis Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 i love beric but i dont hate uncat as much as everyone i like the revenge and killing of freys!!! but i do wish we had more beric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Bobby B Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 I don't get what everyone is complaining about! It's about time somebody in this story got some revenge, even if she did go a little overboard. I think it works nicely too, because on the one hand we want some Stark vengeance, and on the other we've grown to like Pod and Jaime. It creates turmoil for the readers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Bronn Stokeworth Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 Can I say neither?I'm in the camp of "undead" = bad.The possible exception would be Jon Snow since he is a warg and his soul doesn't go to some sort of afterlife upon death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Snow eats wild beaver Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 I forget exactly when, but Berick promised either Arya or Sansa something which I always thought was a main reason why he brought Catelyn back. And Catelyn suits my idea of this series. I came into the books thinking it would be something of a normal hero story, but its not. This is more like a Jacobean tragedy, or the Norse end of times, and as such, everyone needs to die in horrible ways. Everyone.Catelyn is the agent of things to come for Westeros. Her and the dragons. And Nymeria. My mind is kill them all. George Martin has set up this world, and all the characters have to live in it, the good and the bad. He has essentially said that good and bad do not equate to life and death. So cull the field, George. I love Stoneheart. She accomplishes what I want. As close to apocalypse as he can get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalalOfDorne Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 I dont agree with some of the things both of them do but Im going with Stoneheart.But I still think it would have been cool if the BWB was lead by Catelyn ALIVE. For one we would still have her POV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xSilence Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 I prefered Beric... Soneheart is really annoying with all her venegeance. She even kills/wants to kill innocent people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frey Pie Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 How do you know this? None of those present when Pod was hanged seem to consider it unusual at all.Wrong. The BWB are still protecting the smallfolk.I dunno about this. In one stage you say it might be normal for them to hang children, in another testify that they are still protecting smallfolk. Are there many noble children being caught by the Brotherhood, or are they hanging the children of peasants? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 Who was engaged with a Dayne?Who was a decent human being?Who cared about the smallfolk?Dondarrion it is then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Selig Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 I dunno about this. In one stage you say it might be normal for them to hang children, in another testify that they are still protecting smallfolk. Are there many noble children being caught by the Brotherhood, or are they hanging the children of peasants?There are plenty of squires Pod's age in the armies of the factions the BWB has fought, surely they have captured quite a few of them. Not sure what the way they've dealt with them has to do with protecting the smallfolk... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatrickStormborn Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 Stoneheart is pretty much leading the war against the Lannisters at this point. She's a serious rival; Dondarrion was just an annoyance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errant Bard Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 Are there many noble children being caught by the Brotherhood, or are they hanging the children of peasants?The BwB under Catelyn has an orphanage where they actually protect "children of peasants", the BwB under Beric has not. Forget the hangings, it's clear to me who protects children the most from day to day.As for Pod, Thoros says it himself: he's not a kid, he admitted being a Lannister soldier, just like that Sarsfield squire at the crossroads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rivergirl Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 I think it's better for Beric to have died for Cat. I don't necessarily prefer Catelyn to Beric, but she's certainly a more memorable character even if purely because she was there from the start. And on top of that, i feel like if GRRM thought his character had gone as far as it could go... well, he made him. It's hard to plan anything more for someone who's died 6 times already and can hardly remember anything of his former life.It really just comes down to what purpose UnCat serves in the end. But what more was Beric going to do? If he couldn't remember much, he might have gone over to the other side for all we know. In some ways, it's a much better fate for him to die for his liege lady than live like a scarecrow of a man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errant Bard Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 it's a much better fate for him to die for his liege ladyIt's an actually minor nitpick, and I agree with the gist of what you say, but Catelyn is not Beric's liege lady, that would be either Cersei/Myrcella or Selyse/Shireen depending on who you think is the rightful Baratheon family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rivergirl Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 It's an actually minor nitpick, and I agree with the gist of what you say, but Catelyn is not Beric's liege lady, that would be either Cersei/Myrcella or Selyse/Shireen depending on who you think is the rightful Baratheon family.Thank you for reminding me, i always forget about his House's allegiance :) and sorry, i should have phrased that better. You're right, Catelyn isn't his liege lady, what i meant to say was... i can't think whether or not there's a proper word for it. I suppose just the person he, uh, agrees with the most? I really have no idea what you call that. Help a girl out- what's it meant to be called? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nictarion Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 Beric Dondarion was awesome. No contest between him and uncat for me. I would have actually have preferred Cat stayed dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlink Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 Beric Dondarion he was a honorable man and die many times to do what was trying to do for the King Robert (in the voice of Ned ) and Stoneheart just want to kill everybody who didn´t help her and Robb in RW so Beric is more badass he used a fire sword in a one a one and un-Cat only use another persons to do her thinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion of Judah Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 Beric is one of the more tragic figures throughout the series, I felt bad at the way things played out for him even before his final death. It got to the point where he clearly had enough, he couldn't remember the woman he loved and he didn't want to cling to life much longer. So no slight against him, I think death for him was a mercy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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