Lady Blizzardborn Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Marwyn said the maesters have sent/are sending someone to kill Dany and the dragons. Who? And how does he know? Or is he the one they are sending? He could be planning to go against his instructions in that case. And if it's not Marwyn then who is it? Someone either already in Meereen or soon to be there, and most likely Westerosi. The bleeding is Dany's moon blood (moon's blood?) returning, not the bloody flux or the pale mare. And no matter whether the berries made her sick or not, I don't think she's in serious danger of dying right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boojam Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 I keep thinking Tryion will run into Marwyn before Dany does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hippocras Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Good point. Depending upon what happens when the dragon horn is blown, either they will be trying to free the dragons from the control of Euron/Victarian or trying to keep the dragons from destroying the city and killing everyone.ThisI keep thinking Tryion will run into Marwyn before Dany does.Yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talking Hodor Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 One of the most interesting theories I've heard about Marwyn is that he is the man who cut Varys. If that were the case, he wouldn't have ended up in a little box in Varys' office in the TV show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talking Hodor Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Marwyn said the maesters have sent/are sending someone to kill Dany and the dragons. Who? And how does he know? Or is he the one they are sending? He could be planning to go against his instructions in that case. And if it's not Marwyn then who is it? Someone either already in Meereen or soon to be there, and most likely Westerosi. The bleeding is Dany's moon blood (moon's blood?) returning, not the bloody flux or the pale mare. And no matter whether the berries made her sick or not, I don't think she's in serious danger of dying right now. It's been established that Targaryens aren't flame retardent. However, are they really immune to disease, as Dany thinks? It probably is her period, but still... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jehanne Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 I am not a master chemist so I'm not making that claim, but, wouldn't dragon fire destroy most , if not all poisons? Dragonfire seems to be magic as well as hot, I say that on the fact that Drogons fire seemed to burn even ghosts in the house of the undying. The maesters could know of a poison that is the product of combustion. It seems like chemistry is not well understood yet in Westeros, but I'm sure the maesters know of some things that give off toxic materials/fumes, but only after they've been burned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter.Is.Coming Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Do you think its possible that the perfumed senchal is Marwyn. Because he hears about Dany from Sam in Senchal's Court in Oldtown and he boards the ship Cinnamon Wind to go meet her. In the prophesy it says that these things are coming to her. Marwyn would definitely be person not to trust considering that 2 people that have learned under him have gone on to do bad things(Qyburn and Mirri Maz Duur).Also the Cinnamon Wind is the ship that Maester Aemon realizes that Dany is the prince that was promised and the translations were wrong. Its the captian of this ship that tells Dany that Roberts died and he's the one that told Aemon and Sam that he has seen Dany dragons. Also Maester Aemon mentions the glass candle on this ship before he dies, which was part of the prophesy...and also the "Stinky Steward" (the ship) sank, and was bringing two people (Moqorro and Tyrion) who want to help her, not hurt her. Reznak mo Reznak is too obvious, Varys isn't really a seneschal... not sure who else it could be. Out of all the potential candidates (Reznak, Varys, Archmaester Theobald, Garth Tyrell etc.) I think that most likely Marwyn fits the prophecy for the "perfumed senechal" although it could also refer to a later meeting between Dany and Varys (and if one believes in the "Varys is a Blackfyre pretender" theory), he would the obviously present a danger to Dany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hippocras Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 Marwyn's name was dropped a few times already in the TV show right? Or am I imagining that? Some people seem convinced that Marwyn will be cut from the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter.Is.Coming Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 I don't think he has been mentioned in the show but I could be wrong. Depending on how important his role is later on in the series and if the Citadel gets time in the show he might not be cut from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hippocras Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 I could have sworn MMD mentioned him. As well as Qyburn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerg Sknab Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 It'll be interesting if Marwyn gets into his "Book of Lost Books" and the pages he complied as discused by Rodrik and Asha "Signs and Potents"....written by a maiden Targaryen daugther....Knowing that we can surmize what Marwyn's ulterior motives are.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinchanging Sweetrobin Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 I could have sworn MMD mentioned him. As well as Qyburn. Not in the show, here's the part where she should have mentioned him: Who are you?I am named Mirri Maz Duur. I was the Godswife of this Temple. My mother was Godswife here before me. She taught me how to make healing smokes and ointments. All men are of one flock, so my people believe. The Great Shepherd sent me to Earth to heal his ... lamb or lion, his wound must be washed and sewn or it will fester. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladywhiskers Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 Marwyn said the maesters have sent/are sending someone to kill Dany and the dragons. Who? And how does he know? Or is he the one they are sending? He could be planning to go against his instructions in that case. And if it's not Marwyn then who is it? Someone either already in Meereen or soon to be there, and most likely Westerosi. The bleeding is Dany's moon blood (moon's blood?) returning, not the bloody flux or the pale mare. And no matter whether the berries made her sick or not, I don't think she's in serious danger of dying right now. Do we have any reason to think Dany's moon bloods weren't already occuring regularly? Wouldn't she recognize a period if she were having one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urien the Ragged Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 Not to get off topic, but what if the maesters of the citadel were the ones who poisoned the locusts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerg Sknab Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 Not to get off topic, but what if the maesters of the citadel were the ones who poisoned the locusts? Would that be considered first "cut" by Strong Belwas...if so 7 help all those who inhabit the Citadel and anyone who wears multi linked chain of metals if Dany and entourage make it to Westeros... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhatsHisFace Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 Quaithe says to Dany "...to touch the light, you must pass beneath the shadow." Dany thinks this means going to Asshai, but perhaps GRRM is bringing Asshai to Dany. Perhaps Marwyn is the shadow and Dany must pass his teachings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brav Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 One thing about Marwyn and MMD is GRRM made a point of writing Jorah being particularly interested in that detail. If Jorah and Tyrion join Dany's group it is set up for conflict between Jorah and Marwyn.I like the idea that Marwyn could bring them up to date on what's happening at the Wall - you'd think there has to be some way in the story of getting a dragon to that part of Westeros - but really Marwyn has been told what is going on but can use that information to his own ends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimZipCode Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Out of all the potential candidates (Reznak, Varys, Archmaester Theobald, Garth Tyrell etc.) I think that most likely Marwyn fits the prophecy for the "perfumed senechal" although it could also refer to a later meeting between Dany and Varys (and if one believes in the "Varys is a Blackfyre pretender" theory), he would the obviously present a danger to Dany. I always thought the Perfumed Seneschal was Varys or Ilyrio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimZipCode Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Speaking of Marwyn, when we first met him at the end of Feast, I was struck by his description. I felt it was a shout-out to a great mage from another series: Sparrowhawk in Ursula Leguin's Earthsea books. There are similarities and opposites. Both guys are blue-collar "arch" guys connected to the sea: Sparrowhawk was a fisherman, Marwyn is described as looking like a dockworker. Sparrowhawk was a wizard; Marwyn is a "scientist," sort of, who is studying magic as a phenomena. I think Sparrowhawk was skinny where Marwyn is broad with a "bull neck."I just felt this has an homage or something; a deliberate invocation of another fantasy character, a beloved one, but with enough explicit differences that we know we're not supposed to take this literally. Marwyn also has some markers of the plain-spoken wise elder of science fiction, esp many characters in Heinlein. He gives Sam some blunt, sound advice in colorful language. And remember he vioces some respect for (and outrage on behalf of Aemon). I think he's a good guy, and sympathetic to Dany. No idea how it's going to play out. But I feel like we're going to get some POV chapters from him in the next book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urien the Ragged Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 I always thought the Perfumed Seneschal was Varys or Ilyrio. Martin refers to the Shavepate as the Perfumed Seneschal several times, i'm pretty sure it's the Shavepate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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