Olwen Posted July 11, 2013 Author Share Posted July 11, 2013 All I'm saying is that you'd have a hard time finding any country that fits perfectly into that ridiculous definition of democracy. Proportional representation of all ethnicities doesn't exist, except in completely homogenous countries.God, I've already said Israel is far worse. No democracy has to be perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opisthokont Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Israel's immigration policy is certainly racist since it gives preferential treatment to anyone who can show that they have Jewish ancestry (not modern-state-of-Israel ancestry, just Jewish in general). I don't think this necessarily means that Israel is not a democracy as a whole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLoneliestMonk Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Your defense of that is pretty weak. It's easier to convert to Judaism than to become a rich white man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olwen Posted July 11, 2013 Author Share Posted July 11, 2013 ....Jewish isn't just a religion. It also has another meaning in which it is an ethnicity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinDonner Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Is that fact relevant to your argument? No? Then why did you bother mentioning it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olwen Posted July 11, 2013 Author Share Posted July 11, 2013 Wtf? It's extremely relevant that Jewish people are an ethnicity. Israel is the only country that discriminates based on ethnicity and not citizenship. I wouldn't have made this thread if not for that fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaldanya Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 This is a forum, not a well-respected newspaper. It's best to keep things short because people have low attention spans. Anyone can understand the reasoning behind this even if they don't agree with it, and it's not necessary to make a well reasoned article because the argument is so basic.Okay, playaN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaldanya Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Wtf? It's extremely relevant that Jewish people are an ethnicity. Israel is the only country that discriminates based on ethnicity and not citizenship. I wouldn't have made this thread if not for that fact.Here's me thinking that you were making these threads to boost post count.N Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thistlepong Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Israel is the only country that discriminates based on ethnicity and not citizenship.What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Olwen,If the legal immigration policy is clearly discriminatory from the outset how can you say American democracy is open to everyone in a way that Israeli democracy is not?How easy is it for Mexicans to legally immigrate to the US? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olwen Posted July 11, 2013 Author Share Posted July 11, 2013 Olwen,If the egal immigration policy is clearly discriminatory from the outset how can you say American democracy is open to everyone in a way that Israeli democracy is not?How easy is it for Mexicans to legally immigrate to the US?Well, anyone can become an American. That's how it's open to everyone?If Mexicans are outside the US, it has nothing to do with the US being a democracy. They have to be in the country for it to count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gertrude Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 whoosh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cato.the.Elder Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 There is not such a thing as a "true democracy" in the whole world: all democratic states have their flaws that separates them from the ideal of democracy.But noticing this, I would say Israel is a democracy, much more flawed than most European countries, but a democracy anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Of House Hill Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Wikipedia defines a democracy as follows:The first thing to do to create a democracy is to not discriminate between anyone. Negative bias prevents anyone from participating equally.And, of course, Wikipedia is the undisputed source of truth. The statement, if believed, means that there are no democracies on the planet.But, this isn't really about democracy, it is about creating needless controversy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olwen Posted July 11, 2013 Author Share Posted July 11, 2013 There is not such a thing as a "true democracy" in the whole world: all democratic states have their flaws that separates them from the ideal of democracy.But noticing this, I would say Israel is a democracy, much more flawed than most European countries, but a democracy anyway.Thanks, that's the conclusion I want to come to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polishgenius Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Well we've had Israel and we've had abortion; someone did the racism for you so that'll have to wait. I'm expecting at some stage soon we'll see topics about global warming and perhaps something to do with the Iraq/Afghanistan wars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 pg,He needs to bring up Zorses or the unholy church of King Billydee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereward Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 I often wonder if anyone has any thoughts on the subject of the legality of secession, but you're all quite stupid, so I don't suppose it's worth asking.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merentha Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 But, this isn't really about democracy, it is about creating needless controversy.Can we just empty-quote this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex. Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 I wonder what Olwen thinks about the pedestrianisation of Norwich City centre? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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