Annara Snow Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 In fact, i think if most of the aforementioned knights said they didn't want to hit her and Joffrey took it to Tywin, Tywin would probably tell him to either sit down and shut up, or hit him herself if he's so determined to punish her. Tywin wasn't around while Joffrey was ordering them to hit Sansa, he was in the Riverlands fighting the war. They could have theoretically gone to Cersei, but she is the one who spoiled Joffrey rotten and never lifted a finger to stop him from bullying and abusing anyone, even Tommen. And she was well aware of what Joffrey was doing, so if she had wanted to stop it, she would have, without waiting for a KG member to complain about it to her. Nobody had any reason to think that complaining to Cersei would help them - they may have even expected her to get angry at them for disrespecting her son the king. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanzaiZ Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 This was an utterly depressing speculation Jonothor Darry - Follow the king's orders Arthur Dayne - Arys Oakheart route. He'd object, but still hit her even if the blows were softened. Gerold Hightower - Follow the king's ordersBarristan Selmy - If he's at the level of disgust we saw in the books, I could potentially see him refusing. Jaime Lannister - Due to his history with Aerys, I'm unsure. As he is now, no. Around that time? He'd probably find a way to worm out of it, but would still beat her if pressed.Loras Tyrell - I think he'd be insulated enough with the Tyrell/Lannister alliance to refuse. I don't see him being happy seeing how Joffrey was treating his betrothed/formerly betrothed, knowing his sister was supposed to marry the little shit.Balon Swann - Arys Oakheart routeDuncan - Would beat Joffrey. Get himself killed, most likely, but he wouldn't strike an innocent and helpless child.Osmund Kettleblack - Follow the king's orders, without questionBrienne of Tarth - Absolutely not. As devoted as she is to Renly, this would probably be the one thing to break that devotion. If she's with Joffrey, I don't put it past her at all to renounce her Kingsguard vows and try to sneak Sansa out of the city to safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Monkey Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 I think all of them would have beaten Sansa in a straight fight / melee or a duel-type situation. The only way I can see Sansa winning is if she had some training with archery and was able to pick them off at a distance, or was allowed to use poison at a feast or something. Other than that, I can't imagine any of the historical KG we've seen so far losing a fight to a little kid with no combat training. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Duncan - Would beat Joffrey. Get himself killed, most likely, but he wouldn't strike an innocent and helpless child. We have a winner! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Señor de la Tormenta Posted November 18, 2013 Author Share Posted November 18, 2013 We have a winner!We still got to know if he could ve done something to stop crazy targaryens going summerhall... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lointain Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Pretty sure the likes of Arthur Dayne, Barristan Selmy, Gerold Hightower, Oswell Whent, Lewyn Martell or Jonothor Darry would beat Sansa, if their king ordered such thing. They are the epitome of loyalty, not the epitome of chivalry, the kind sorry bunch capable of saying "i was only following orders!". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeRhaegar Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Dunkarthur dayneaemon the dragon knightlewyn martellsandor clegane these are a few that i know woudn't do it under even the pain of death. I think many others would not have done it as well or at least did what arys did and just give her a light tap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonin Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Sadly, I think most of them would. The more clever might have gone to Queen Regent, since Joff was not yet of age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lointain Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Sandor Clegane?The one that kills terrorized young boys? He is one of the most despicable of the KG, at the same moral level of a Boros Blount or someone similar; the only thing i can say in behalf of Sandor is that he is a bit better than his horrendous brother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 We still got to know if he could ve done something to stop crazy targaryens going summerhall... But this is Joff not the Targs. But you are right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Alienor Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 I haven't read the Dunk and Egg series, so I don't know about Dunk, but safe for Brienne, Jamie (the Jamie from now) and maybe Loras they all would have. Selmy, Dayne and Swann might argue, but in the end they'd do it. So depressing. Think of what Eddard would say... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rivergirl Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Sandor Clegane? The one that kills terrorized young boys? He is one of the most despicable of the KG, at the same moral level of a Boros Blount or someone similar; the only thing i can say in behalf of Sandor is that he is a bit better than his horrendous brother. You're right about his brutality, but this is Sansa we're talking about. If it were Arya, i don't doubt he would have hit her into next summer. But he has a soft spot for Sansa… which makes me wonder: Did Joffrey know about Sandor's affection for Sansa? Or, if not, why didn't he ask him to hit her? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitering Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Well, ya, there are quite a few that would probably be too scary for Joffrey to order to do such a thing, like when the Hound basically gave him the finger for giving that order. Probably the truly honourable ones would just ignore the little fucker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
complexphoenix Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 If Jaime had been present in KL when Joffrey was ordering KG to beat Sansa, he would have put a stop to it. After Aerys he's not going to obey orders that he considers vile, and as LC he could use his authority to call off the others. Jaime, not Joffrey, is the one with the strong sword arm. He might have even joined Tyrion in being a Kingslapper. Most of the others would probably do like Arys Oakheart: they'd question and protest, but when Joffrey insisted, they would have done it, striking as lightly as they dared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musashisamurai Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Pretty much all of them save Dunk the Hunk imo. Most of them would object though and try to soften it. None of them are going to go Boros Blount on her except maybe Osmund.Dayne wouldnt have, nor would barristan. I think. I think Hightower might have, but he would have not hurt her, along with the rest of his kingsguard minus Dayne. Barristan-I dont think so. At least, if Dany ordered him, no, or if Robert ordered possibly, Aerys yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Alienor Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Hightower always struck me as the guy who, if the king says jump of the cliff, nods and does exactly that. I don't see him doing anything but what the king ordered him to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gneisenau Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Can one commit a morally wrong act if they don't commit an act at all ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Alienor Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Can one commit a morally wrong act if they don't commit an act at all ? Sure, if you don't help someone who needs your help. Standing by while Rhaella was raped was silently acknowledging that this is okay, it was definitevly morally wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gneisenau Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Sure, if you don't help someone who needs your help. Standing by while Rhaella was raped was silently acknowledging that this is okay, it was definitevly morally wrong. Didn't Robert rape Cersei ? Isn't King on Queen rape legal in Westeros ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
complexphoenix Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Didn't Robert rape Cersei ? Isn't King on Queen rape legal in Westeros ? Robert was nowhere near as cruel as Aerys. After the last rape before she departed for Dragonstone, Rhaella looked like she'd been attacked by a wild animal. And yes, marital rape is legal in Westeros. Husbands are considered to have the right to have sex with their wives, with or without the wife's consent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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