Euronor Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 If you had to fall into a woman’s arms, my son, why couldn’t they have been Margaery Tyrell’s?Catelyn Robb himself mulls on the fact that he should have traded sansa for jaime and married sansa to loras.But how likely are either of these scenarios?Littlefinger had already gone to an angry loras to convince them to join the lannisters, and when Tywin here's of stannis' attack on KL he turns around and joins up with a tyrell force so Littlefinger's parley was successful. The tyrells want to join the winning side and Mace wants margery to be queen (in the south). An unlikely prospect if she weds robb who is the king in the NORTH. Sansa and Loras, i think would've been more likely but trading the kingslayer for Sansa with no guarantee the tyrells would actually follow through with the marriage would make this a risky choice i think. One lost battle by the starks and the tyrells would change their mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addam of Hull Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 A Margaery-Robb marriage would pretty much only work out if it was either arranged prior to the War of the Five Kings or if Robb decided to take the Iron Throne for his own. Any other scenario really doesn't work because Mace wants his daughter to be the Queen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musashisamurai Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 What he said plus-The Tyrells wanted Renly at first because he was their puppet. Remember he was in love in loras? Anyways, what would happen if Renly fought Robb (with Tyrells?)?Imao, the tyrells were always planning to use renly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolves Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 This is a match that should have been if that horrible war didn't happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Mace wants Margaery to be queen of all of Westeros, not just the south, and not just the north. Had Robb wanted to marry Margaery, he would have had to have done so before Renly declared himself king - which was before Robb was declared king, mind you. So this scenario would have been extremely unlikely. It would have been so anyway, since Robb never had any intention to sit on the IT, and that is exactly where the Tyrells wanted Margaery to end up. A Sansa-Loras marriage could have worked, if the Tyrells hadn't sided with the Lannisters after Renly's death. Even if Renly had lived, it could have worked. Renly was willing to let Robb rule the North, if only he was acknowledged as king. the two armies would have joined, defeated Stannis and the Lannisters, and a marriage between Sansa and Loras could have sealed the deal. Trading Sansa for Jaime, however much Cersei might have wanted to accept such a deal, wouldn't have happened, since Robb would have risked losing all his bannermen for trading their most useful captive for a girl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon of the Dead Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 I think it could have happened if Cat hadn't been in Renly's tent when he died. That and her escape made her an immediate suspect in the eyes of the Tyrells. After Renly the Tyrells were kingless and were enemies of both Stannis and Tywin. They needed allies to protect themselves. Cat could have persuaded them of going to Riverrun and join their strenght to Edmure's. Maybe Cat could have sent a raven to Robb about this and he would have refrained from bedding Jeyne. And even if he did, Edmure was still available and Cat could have pushed for a marriage between him and Margaery (Westeros' own William and Kate). Littlefinger was key for the Tyrell-Lannister alliance because there's no way in hell Mace would have risked his chances and fought Stannis with no guarantee first. So if LF couldn't find them in Bitterbridge, there's no alliance. As for the Freys, assuming Robb did marry Jeyne, I don't think Walder would have dared to attack the Tyrells. And assuming Robb marries Marg, Mace would have pushed hard for the Iron Throne and I think Robb would have agreed, maybe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lummel Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 If the Robbwind crackpot is true then the two could still get married! :love: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matoro Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 If the Robbwind crackpot is true then the two could still get married! :love: Is Robbwind theory about Robb being alive in Grey Wind's body? I mean, we saw his dead body and his wolfs severed head. But what if Robb's head is sewed to Grey Wind's body, and it lives!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Monkey Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Geographically I don't buy it. If Margaery marries Robb and the North secedes from the South, Margaery pretty much has to give up Highgarden, doesn't she? Or else if she ever wants to take a journey there she has to travel through Lannister-held territory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 I think they're both just regretting that they had not explored allying with House Tyrell earlier. But I doubt the opportunity to do so was present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ours if the Fury Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Mace tyrell, is seen as a fool and very protective of his one daughter, my guess is even if the marraige was offered and it being a very good marriage, 'the future warden of the north' mace would not have allowed his daughter to go and live in the harsh environment of the north, or allow her to live their without his protection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sordelor Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Mace gained more from a pact with the Lannisters since they're stronger than the Starks. Also, the Westerlands are between the Reach and the Riverlands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWizard Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 The only thing that would of made MAce turn down his daughter being Queen of the Iron Throne is a letter from Robb saying "hey Mace crown yourself like I did. Dont you wanna be a king?" The Tyrells are so ambitious I think it would of worked but only in the small window of Renlys death but before Littlefinger brokers the allaince Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catastrophe Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Nah, the Tyrells wanted the Iron Throne, they had no interest in the cause of Northern independence. Unlike the Riverlands, the Reach wasn't in any position to secede and join Robb's kingdom, since they're nowhere near the North. They're right next to the Westerlands, so if they did secede, the Lannisters could easily box them in and keep them isolated from their Northern allies. Also, from a cultural perspective, the Reach has far more in common with the Westerlands and the Stormlands than with the North. Even in the world of Ice and Fire, the law of geographical determinism holds sway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Alienor Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 The Tyrells aren't interested in the North, never were. When Sansa was served to them on the silver tablet, well, it would have hurt no one to have her marry Willas (or Loras in the TV-series), and in case Robb had won that would have given them safety. But they would have never given Margery to Robb, nor would they have fought for Robb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
complexphoenix Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 I think there's a good chance that Marg, if she reached Robb in time, could have persuaded him both to marry her and to go for the Iron Throne. If Tywin managed to defeat Stannis without Tyrell help, Robb would have had every reason to go for it; if Stannis won, but then offended people by burning the Red Keep godswood and the Great Sept of Baelor, again, Robb might have been persuaded to overthrow him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djinn Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 The Tyrell motto is Growing strong, not Growing cold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dragon King Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 If Robb was going to go for the Iron Throne it would have been a fantastic match. They would get the most populous region in the Kingdoms joining them which would swing the momentum in their direction, at that point the Vae and Dorne might jump in to try to get some of the spoils. The Tyrells would love it because it would make Margary the Queen, and she could likely manipulate te living hell out of Robb and it would drastically strenghten the Tyrell bloodline with Sansa marrying Willas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockjaw of House Boltagon Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 why wouldn't robb go for the iron throne? he basically became king of the north because some lords were shouting for it; if mace and all the southron lords had insisted he'd probably gone for the iron throne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draco_Dracul Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 I could see it happening if Robb agreed to take the Iron Throne or if Renly had bent the knee to Stannis prior to their marraige. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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