King Jon Targaryen I Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Hey, new to the forum but I have this question that lingers in my mind and its the idea that Joanna Lannister was raped by Aerys Targaryen which I find very hard to believe if the Tyrion Lannister Targ theory is correct. I think Joanna was in love with Aerys and in vice versa, isn't that one of the possible reasons Aerys brought Tywin to be Hand of the King? It is said that Joanna Lannister was actually friends with Aerys in their childhood and this made me think "what a minute? Something isn't right with this picture". People assume Joanna in the A+J=T theory was forcefully raped by Aerys to which I just have to call BS on, I think Aerys was genuinely in love with Joanna and she returned it back. What do you guys think cause I find it hard to believe Joanna was raped since she was childhood friends with Aerys sister so its not hard to think she knew Aerys before his madness and remember Aerys was a good looking guy and was considered handsome before his madness came when Joanna was alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bent branch Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 I think it is entirely possible that Aerys and Joanna considered themselves to be in love at least at some point in their lives. I have wondered if Joanna helped convince Aerys to name Tywin as his Hand like her daughter, Cersei, helped convince Aerys to name Jaime as Kingsguard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 If Aerys was like Rhaegar in his youth, I'm sure he had a hell of admirers. That and the fact that he was a Prince. i wouldn't discard Joanna as one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primalsplit Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Coming to think of it, isn't it possible one of the reasons why Aerys went mad was Joanna's death? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poppa Chase Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 I think the years about line up for tyrion to have been conceived before duskendale, so perhaps he was trying to impress her afterward by dealing with a defiance like Tywin, all by himself. Maybe while imprisoned he thought Tywin knew and was doing it on purpose as punishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jon Targaryen I Posted September 27, 2014 Author Share Posted September 27, 2014 The duskendale incident could have been a factor into all of this, if this theory is correct then the ultimate irony is that Tyrion was treated like crap because his father had love for Joanna Lannister cause tyrion in their eyes killed her but in reality she was actually in love with Aerys II. It would seem very ironic to me at least that the guy Tywin brushed his ego with produced a child by the woman he loved, basically a final jab of Aerys to Tywin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Tiger Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Coming to think of it, isn't it possible one of the reasons why Aerys went mad was Joanna's death? I still say Aerys' madnes had nothing to do with the incest, but his long capture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibzit Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 well before duskendale aerys was fucking great only after a bunch of bad stuff happend he went mad (another cersei parrelel?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Tyrion was born before Duskendale, though.And OP, Joanna was Rhaella's handmaiden, she's never called her friend (though I think we can assume you don't remain handmaiden for some time if the princess doesn't like you). Joanna and Aerys, though, are never called friends of one another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shockwave Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 we only know that Aerys lusted after Joanna, and didn't lust after his sister Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Varys Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Barristan paints Aerys as a guy who was not really in love with Joanna in a conventional sense, but he clearly lusted after her, and this could well have been mutual. No ever said that Joanna was deeply in love with Tywin, we only know that he supposedly deeply loved her. And as of yet we have no idea how young Aerys looked and behaved like. Tywin would have been physically attractive, but not necessarily a funny wit, whereas Aerys could have been both, attractive and witty. And he sure was Prince of Dragonstone during the reign of his father, and later the King on the Iron Throne. Both may trump 'heir to/Lord of Casterly Rock' on the rank and status attractiveness chart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shockwave Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 aerys lusted after joanna before his marriage. He married his sister shortly after Egg commanded him too. At that time Jaehaerys II might or might not have been Prince of Dragonstone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion of the West Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 It certainly possible that at one point Joanna was inamored with Prince Aerys. I am more inclined to think that it was lust due to the comment that Aerys took liberties with Joanna during the bedding hints to me that it was lust and not love that drove Aerys. I do however not recall that Joanna and Aerys were friends. I only recall that Aerys and Tywin were friends and that Joanna was a lady companion to Rhaella. But I am open to he idea that they had something together once upon a time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamSongs Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Hey, new to the forum but I have this question that lingers in my mind and its the idea that Joanna Lannister was raped by Aerys Targaryen which I find very hard to believe if the Tyrion Lannister Targ theory is correct. I think Joanna was in love with Aerys and in vice versa, isn't that one of the possible reasons Aerys brought Tywin to be Hand of the King? It is said that Joanna Lannister was actually friends with Aerys in their childhood and this made me think "what a minute? Something isn't right with this picture". People assume Joanna in the A+J=T theory was forcefully raped by Aerys to which I just have to call BS on, I think Aerys was genuinely in love with Joanna and she returned it back. What do you guys think cause I find it hard to believe Joanna was raped since she was childhood friends with Aerys sister so its not hard to think she knew Aerys before his madness and remember Aerys was a good looking guy and was considered handsome before his madness came when Joanna was alive. Reference for the bolded portion please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Tiger Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 It certainly possible that at one point Joanna was inamored with Prince Aerys. I am more inclined to think that it was lust due to the comment that Aerys took liberties with Joanna during the bedding hints to me that it was lust and not love that drove Aerys. I do however not recall that Joanna and Aerys were friends. I only recall that Aerys and Tywin were friends and that Joanna was a lady companion to Rhaella. But I am open to he idea that they had something together once upon a time. ....What does this mean? I have an idea, but I hope im wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 ....What does this mean? I have an idea, but I hope im wrong. He made a nasty comment during the bedding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Tiger Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Oh, okay that's good to hear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Oh, okay that's good to hear IICR, he said something like he wished Kings/Lords were still allowed to have sex with the wives of their vassals/men. To many people, this comment means he lusted Joanna. To me, I think he wanted her AND he also wanted to troll Tywin. He probably knew him enough to know she was a soft spot for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boarsbane Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 You find it hard to believe a known rapist would rape a woman? Where is all this stuff that Aerys was great before Duskendale coming from? He was likable but he still had his Targaryen moments and was extremely petty in the way he treated Tywin, his supposed friend and the man who ran the realm while Aerys did whatever the hell Aerys did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Varys Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 According to Barristan, he made that comment, and took certain liberties during the bedding. To fondle of the breast of the bride should be be quite common, so my guess is that he touched certain other areas of her body. In itself, this could show either that Aerys was familiar with Joanna's body - and knew what she liked - or that he was simply too drunk and aroused to care all that much about how this whole thing looked to anyone else. As to Aerys in general: I don't think he was great prior to Duskendale, but we don't have reason to believe that the madness that was always in him ('the lapses', as Barristan calls them) manifested often (or at all) in paranoid or violent fashion. If Aerys had been a paranoid, sadistic, and cruel madman for most of his reign, even Tywin would never have been able to keep the Realm at peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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