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TheSpottedCat Hedge Knight

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The plot will have to change considerably to accommodate this. Even if Aegon is fake (and I think he is), he's still a major problem for all the opposing factions, especially if he starts gaining support. Even if he eventually amounts to nothing, his removal means that significant chunks of plot will be left out. The ending might still more or less be the same, but, as they say, it's the journey, not the destination, that matters.

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It actually is possible to delay him until s6 if they choose to.



Remember that the show went out of its way to mention the Golden Company twice last season, once in a Stannis/Davos scene in ep. 403 and again in a Dany/Jorah scene in 407. Since Tyrion and Varys go to Volantis in s5 (ep. 503 to be precise) and since Jorah will be there (who in show canon used to fight for the Golden Company and could have very well rejoined in the meantime) AND since a Volantene sellsword will feature in the same scene...it stands to reason that Varys and Tyrion are purchasing the Golden Company. Though Varys and/or Illyrio will probably explain this to Tyrion in ep. 501 or 502 to be a gift to Dany (perhaps so she'll forget Varys' past schemes against her and forgive Tyrion for being a Lannister) IF Tyrion convinces Varys to land them in Westeros instead of sending them to Dany, the show could very well introduce fAegon as Varys' wild card in s6.



Or of course they could just use someone else or some composite/equivalent character to play the post-Tommen, pre-Dany ruler.


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Who's to say he's been cut from the show? He could well turn up in season 6 or, as some suspect, he could be Trystane Martell. The world will not end, in spite of what some people on this forum seem to believe.



The show only has so much budget, so it's entirely possible he's been merged with another character.


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I'm 100% convinced that Trystane will be Aegon as well, with aspects of Arianne's character thrown in. Since it seems increasingly likely in the novels that Dorne will eventually join forces with Aegon, this would be a logical way to streamline several plotlines. It just makes sense. The actor playing Trystane is significantly whiter than the actors playing Oberyn or Doran. Since Doran only has one child in the show it seems plausible that he could be infertile and Trystanne might not be his real son. Dorne would be a much safer and more logical place for the son of Rhaegar than a pole boat in Essos. It would allow for Varys to appear in Dorne and conect Varys with Doran. Since he is still likely unaware of his identity it allows you to maintain the Queenmaker plot with him taking the place of Arianne. It also allows you to maintain Doran's epic "Fire and Blood" speech, only now having it include the reveal of his true identity as Aegon and how he is going to marry Dany. Then once news reaches Dorne of Dany's marriage you could have Aegon/Varys change the plan and decide now is the time to strike Westeros. You could end the season with the combined forces of Dorne and the Golden Company marching north torwards the Stormlands and King's Landing.



I see the Dorne plotline for this season playing out like this:



  • We are introduced to Doran and Trystanne. Trystanne is trying to convince his father to crown Myrcella and go to war now that Tywin is dead. Doran obviously refuses.
  • Jaime arrives in Dorne to bring Myrcella back to Kings Landing. Doran appearing weak agrees to let her go home for a period of time.
  • Trystanne, furious at his fathers weakness by giving into Lannisters demands, decides to take action. He rallies the Sand Snakes and decides to crown Myrcella himself.
  • Trystanne and the Sand Snake's queenmaking plot is stopped by Aero Hotah.
  • Trystanne and the Sand Snake's are all imprisoned.
  • Doran eventually comes to speak to Trystanne. He gives his epic "Fire and Blood" speech only this time it is also revealed that Trystanne isn't actually his son and is actually Prince Aegon and he is meant to marry Dany.
  • Jaime is allowed to return to Kings Landing with Myrcella. Accompanied by at least one Sand Snake.
  • Plans are made for Aegon to travel with the Golden Company to Mereen to present himself to Dany and ask her to marry him.
  • Before Aegon departs word reaches Dorne of Dany's marriage to Hizdhar zo Loraq.
  • Aegon decides that they don't need Dany to conqueor Westeros since the Seven Kingdoms are in complete disarray and he has the strength of Dorne as well as the Golden Company at his back.
  • The season ends with the combined forces of Dorne and the Golden Company marching north led by Aegon.
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Given those leaked season 5 pictures seem to suggest Tyrion joins up with Dany sooner rather than later, it might not be impossible that Tyrion ends up in command of Dany's forces at Mereen after the Pit of Daznak incident and could force a similar landing that Griff and the Golden Company did while Dany does whatever she does with the Dothraki. A bit silly, but the scene of Cersei flipping out once she hears would be worth it.


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In what way doesn't it make sense...

At worst it is plausible.

Trystane would be around 12 right about now. Aegon sould be 18 right about now. Unless the writer decides to age him 5 years, he isn't it. and it would definitely suck that Robert's number enemy was right under his nose the whole time

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Trystane would be around 12 right about now. Aegon sould be 18 right about now. Unless the writer decides to age him 5 years, he isn't it. and it would definitely suck that Robert's number enemy was right under his nose the whole time

Show Trystane is about 18.

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Trystane could fulfill Aegon's role in the plot without actually being him (which without a good explanation would strain credulity IMO). He could potentially stake a claim to the Throne through Myrcella and be the one to unseat Tommen and be backed by the Faith (assuming of course that these things actually happen to dear fAegon). If Varys and Tyrion send the Golden Company to Dorne, they could be part of his force potentially.



As of yet though all we know is that Trystane will take on certain aspects of Arianne's AFFC role.


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I'm 100% convinced that Trystane will be Aegon as well, with aspects of Arianne's character thrown in. Since it seems increasingly likely in the novels that Dorne will eventually join forces with Aegon, this would be a logical way to streamline several plotlines. It just makes sense. The actor playing Trystane is significantly whiter than the actors playing Oberyn or Doran. Since Doran only has one child in the show it seems plausible that he could be infertile and Trystanne might not be his real son. Dorne would be a much safer and more logical place for the son of Rhaegar than a pole boat in Essos. It would allow for Varys to appear in Dorne and conect Varys with Doran. Since he is still likely unaware of his identity it allows you to maintain the Queenmaker plot with him taking the place of Arianne. It also allows you to maintain Doran's epic "Fire and Blood" speech, only now having it include the reveal of his true identity as Aegon and how he is going to marry Dany. Then once news reaches Dorne of Dany's marriage you could have Aegon/Varys change the plan and decide now is the time to strike Westeros. You could end the season with the combined forces of Dorne and the Golden Company marching north torwards the Stormlands and King's Landing.

I see the Dorne plotline for this season playing out like this:

  • We are introduced to Doran and Trystanne. Trystanne is trying to convince his father to crown Myrcella and go to war now that Tywin is dead. Doran obviously refuses.

Jaime arrives in Dorne to bring Myrcella back to Kings Landing. Doran appearing weak agrees to let her go home for a period of time.

Trystanne, furious at his fathers weakness by giving into Lannisters demands, decides to take action. He rallies the Sand Snakes and decides to crown Myrcella himself.

Trystanne and the Sand Snake's queenmaking plot is stopped by Aero Hotah.

Trystanne and the Sand Snake's are all imprisoned.

Doran eventually comes to speak to Trystanne. He gives his epic "Fire and Blood" speech only this time it is also revealed that Trystanne isn't actually his son and is actually Prince Aegon and he is meant to marry Dany.

Jaime is allowed to return to Kings Landing with Myrcella. Accompanied by at least one Sand Snake.

Plans are made for Aegon to travel with the Golden Company to Mereen to present himself to Dany and ask her to marry him.

Before Aegon departs word reaches Dorne of Dany's marriage to Hizdhar zo Loraq.

Aegon decides that they don't need Dany to conqueor Westeros since the Seven Kingdoms are in complete disarray and he has the strength of Dorne as well as the Golden Company at his back.

The season ends with the combined forces of Dorne and the Golden Company marching north led by Aegon.

That's interesting. I guess they will need to drop hints here and there that there is something odd with Trystane's family relationships or something, else it would come too much from the left field, but it would certainly reduce and streamline a lot of the material - and it would turn into a surprise for book readers

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