Season 5 Casting, News and Speculation V 8 [show spoilers, book spoilers past OP]

[Kyrion]

Is Kevan popular or something? Why do people want him back so bad?

They want Kevan just so he can die at the epilogue like in the books.

Also, be a foil for Cersei's madness.

[Seneti]

Is Kevan popular or something? Why do people want him back so bad?

Because he's one of the few completely sane members of the Lannister's family tree and because of what happened in the epilogue of ADWD.

[The Drunkard]

I wonder if that note Stannis is passing Jon is the "his name is STARK" one (or the equivalent).

[Mos]

I want Kevan back just to avoid a plot hole in which Tywin's brother just disappears, but other than that... eh.

If he goes down the same route as he does in the books, I can't see how his death would be of much impact. I think it would be better if they switch his and Pycelle's deaths around, with Pycelle finding Kevan's body before being shot. I believe having Pycelle be the one dying while learning of Varys master plan would be a better way to go for the unsullied.

I mean, even if he do actually accomplice something this season, like getting the kingdoms back on their feet, I still can't see how we would really care about him as a character that appears just to die a couple of episodes later. It's not exactly like he's Oberyn or Ned.

Kevan was a good character in the books. Not really standout, but what he did in ADwD was good. But in the show so far he's just a cranky old fart.

[Cas Stark]

I want Kevan back just to avoid a plot hole in which Tywin's brother just disappears, but other than that... eh.

If he goes down the same route as he does in the books, I can't see how his death would be of much impact. I think it would be better if they switch his and Pycelle's deaths around, with Pycelle finding Kevan's body before being shot. I believe having Pycelle be the one dying while learning of Varys master plan would be a better way to go for the unsullied.

I mean, even if he do actually accomplice something this season, like getting the kingdoms back on their feet, I still can't see how we would really care about him as a character that appears just to die a couple of episodes later. It's not exactly like he's Oberyn or Ned.

Kevan was a good character in the books. Not really standout, but what he did in ADwD was good. But in the show so far he's just a cranky old fart.

If there is no Aegon, then no 'reveal' and the audience is going to know already this season that Varys is supporting Dany, then there is no reason for that whole scene in the show, unless I'm missing something.

[Mos]

I'm still a little hopefull that there's more to Varys' plan. Either that Aegon is still in (which I doubt) or that Trystane is somehow taking over the role somehow. Or something else. I don't know.

But if there's no epilogue murders on the show, I really don't understand why they're bringing Kevan back. Maybe it is for Ian Gelder's sweet face.

[biosnake20]

Varys could just be telling Tyrion this stuff to get him to go to Dany like Illryio did in ADWD then they can reveal Aegon while Kevan is getting the speech.

[Konradsmith]

Varys ain't a one trick pony. I'm sure he has something slimier planned, even without fAegon.

[Kyrion]

Varys could just be telling Tyrion this stuff to get him to go to Dany like Illryio did in ADWD then they can reveal Aegon while Kevan is getting the speech.

The thing with that is, Even though Tyrion wasnt told specifically about Aegon from Illyrio/Varys, he found out about him on the course of his trip, so it happened shortly after the scene he was told he would go for Dany in Meereen.

However in the show Tyrion doesnt run into the shy maid, he seems to run right into Jorah so the discovery about Aegon doesnt happen in the same timeframe, and David and Dan said Vary's plans will be revealed this season. How will we find out about Aegon without the Shymaid?

Now, I can see this happening later in a different contex. Where Aegon comes later to Meereen, where Dany is gone in the Dothraki Sea and Tyrion who got into a high position in Meereen or somehow or another gets to Aegon, and then tells Aegon to go for Westeros instead if they want to delay the Aegon Storyline. But who knows.

[Konradsmith]

I thought I might share my mum's commentary on the trailer:

On Tyrion: "Looks like he's moved on to whiskey."

On Dany: "Didn't she say a line exactly like that in last year's trailer?"

On the riders at 0:37: "That looks like the Brotherhood."

On the shot of the chaos in Daznak's: "Pause there, that looks like it might have to do with what's happening to Wrinkle-Forehead [Jorah]."

(Of course I didn't pause there 'cause I don't want to spoil the scene when it airs).

[HexMachina]

As much of a field day as a I head reading through 40 pages of posts and dissecting the trailer. ;)

To reiterate, a high quality version of the trailer can be found here:

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153118978113933&pnref=story

This is what I could gather from it sorted by location (WARNING: MAJOR SPOILERS AHEAD!):

Kings Landing:

• Cersei saying to Jaime inside the sept That little monster is out there somewhere drawing breath.
• Cersei leaving Jamie in the Sept next to Tywins body
• Margaery and Tommen marrying
• Cersei in what looks like a dungeon/vault
• Cersei watching on as a box opens that holds a necklace in a viper statue.
• Olenna saying: Theyll never even find whats left of you.
• The High Sparrow saying: Strip away the gold, knock down the statues and this is what remains.
• Sparrows walking down steps and smashing barrels
• Margaery clinging to someone (possibly Olenna or Tommen, given the way she looks at the camera)

The Vale:

• a caravan of riders and one carriage
• Littlefinger saying to Sansa: There is no justice in this world. Not unless we make it. Avenge them.
• Sansa in a bathtub looking troubled.

Beyond the Wall:

• a small boat approaching a Wildling village
• Wildlings walking into the water
• Rattleshirt leading a band of Wildlings
• Someone with an axe approaching a wooden gate. The gate opens.
• Jon calling out With me! and a group of Wildlings rushing into battle
• Jon battling
• someone in the water attacking a person in the boats
• a pyre set up inside Castle Black before an audience of Crows, Baratheon men and Wildlings
• Melisandre lighting a pyre with someone on it.
• Melisandre undressing

Dorne:

• Bronn drawing a sword
• skirmish between a Dornish guard and someone in an open field
• a Dornish rider at a beach being cut down by Bronn
• Dornish riders surrounding two men (most likely Jaime and Bronn)
• Nymeria whipping a barrel away to reveal a mans head surrounded by scorpions as Ellaria, Tyene and Obara look on
• two figures hushing through the Water Gardens (possibly Jaime and Bronn)
• Jaime in a Dornish building
• Ellaria facing a row of spears

Meereen:

• masked people marching
• the masked people walking through the streets, while the Unsullied are in a skirmish with someone
• One of the masked people dead next to a wall with kill the masters written on it
• Dany saying: Im not going to stop the wheel. Im going to break it.
• Contemplative shot of Dany
• Dany being escorted down some steps by her Unsullied
• Dany and Missandei being defended by Jorah, Daario and the Unsullied against the men with the masks inside Daznaks pit
• Jorah inside a fighting pit, getting ready to fight his opponent.
• Rhaegal breathing fire into the camera
• Missandei kissing Grey Worm
• the statue of the Harpy being ripped down from the top of the pyramid

Flashback:

• young Cersei and Melara in the woods
• young Cersei cutting her finger to produce some blood

Somewhere in Essos (most likely Pentos and Volantis):

• Tyrion falling out of the crate
• Varys saying: I believe that men of talent will have a part to play in the war to come.
• Tyrion saying: I will never sit on the Iron throne. Varys replying: You could help another climb those steps and take that seat.
• Tyrion drinking wine.
• Tyrion saying: I dont think Im ready for what I deserve.
• Varys saying: The seven kingdoms needs a ruler loved by millions with a powerful army and the right family name. Tyrion replying: Good luck finding him. Varys answering: Who said anything about him.
• Varys and Tyrion in disguise walking through a wooden building.
• Tyrion in front of a very attractive girl, potentially a prostitute.
• two men fighting in front of a crowd of Masters

Braavos:

• Arya knocking on the doors of the House of Black and White
• Arya picking up Needle and looking at it, contemplating

North:

• Theon with his typical deer-in-the-headlights Reek look
• Someone walking by a strategy map with Bolton statues and other Y-shaped statues on them (potentially at the Wall, at Winterfell or wherever Yasha is)

Unknown:

• Riders in the woods
• Brienne saying nothing is more hateful than failing to protect the one you love
• Brienne and Pod riding by what looks like the Inn at the Crossroads
• a crow landing on a corps

I am going to put a summary of this, plus the link to the trailer in the OP. Much of what we saw in the trailer we have already been able to deduce from leaked photos and videos as well as casting calls. Still, trailer looks very good and I am definitely hyped now.

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Updating the OP now. As always, look to the stars.

Nice summary, thanks :)

In the Dany shot where she is being escorted down the stairs, she is wearing the Pit dress, and Barristan and Grey Worm are also present. Suggests they are still alive at the time of the Pit episode, contrary to what many believed. They are both (well, Barristan at least. Grey Worm could be one of the helmeted Unsullied I suppose) absent from the shot where Dany and co. Are surrounded, so I'm not sure where they will disappear to. Still think there is a chance they might be used as hostages myself.

[Steelborn]

Barristan the Badass is too underused. If it's Tyrion who gets the lines "Over here. Try me" in the pit, I will rage.

[Konradsmith]

^More likely Daario. That'll probably make you rage more.

[Steelborn]

^More likely Daario. That'll probably make you rage more.

NOOOOOOOO :lol:

[alcasinoroyale]

And Varys's plan obviously can't be to put Gendry on the Iron Throne.

[biosnake20]

Maybe instead of Tyrion deducing that Young Griff is Aegon we will get Jamie deducing that Trystane is Aegon. That could be an interesting dynamic because he would see the son of a man he betrayed.

[Oriolesmagic]

I'm trying to figure out the Wall storyline based on what we've seen so far. It's a tough one to pick out because it's obviously going to be EXTREMELY different from the books. I have no idea what's going on with Tormund and Rattleshirt. Episode 1 we have some idea of based on the leaked script summary which looks to be extremely accurate but probably (and hopefully) incomplete.
https://www.facebook.com/Stannisswagatheon/posts/814624378577731

Ep1: A few scenes with Jon interacting with Stannis, Melisandre and Davos. The end of the episode is Jon receiving a letter from Stannis giving him Winterfell and declaring him a Stark if he chooses. (I think that's the scene we're seeing in the pictures released today)

Ep 2: Jon declines Stannis' offer and says his place is with the Night's Watch. Jon is elected Lord Commander.

Ep 3-6:

Mance is offered to the Lord of Light by Melisandre as evidenced by the trailer. King's blood sacrifice for Stannis' Battle for Winterfell? (Maybe Mance actually does die in the show and never goes to Winterfell? Who knows)

Stannis' army marches for Winterfell or Deepwood Motte, if it's in.

Davos goes...somewhere else. No idea where.

Have to think Janos Slynt bites the dust somewhere in these episodes. But maybe not until after Hardhome?

Melisandre seduces Jon after Stannis leaves.

Maester Aemon dies and has a funeral

Ep 7:

Jon leaves for Hardhome

Sam and Gilly leave for Oldtown

Ep 8: Hardhome (Have no idea what's gonna go down here, I really hope we don't have the Ides of Marsh at Hardhome but who knows.)

Ep 9-10: No clue. Pink Letter?

I hope we get some scenes between Sam and Shireen or Sam and Davos. Both would be really entertaining.

[Guard of the Rainking]

I gotta say, Sansa looks way better without all those feathers on her costume.

[Waho]

Is Kevan popular or something? Why do people want him back so bad?

He's a great character, especially in the last two books. A moderate Lannister, who lost his son in the War of the Five King. And he offers a great counterpoint to Cersei's follies. Plus, the actor playing him in the first two seasons was cool and seemed terribly underused.

[Duckfield]

So Grey Worm is dead?