How do we know that Daenerys is a Targaryen?

[foreign675]

I mean, what proof do we have that she truly is the daughter of Aerys?

She was born like 9 months later her mother fled from KL, right? That's suspicious.

Maybe the fake Dragon is Daenerys herself.

So, what do you people think of it? What proof stand for her being a Targaryen? What evidence is lacking?

ETA: yeah, her mother is a Targaryen. What I am truly asking is how do we know she is the daughter of Aerys.

[Mladen]

Because if you don't doubt that Rhaella is her mother, you shouldn't doubt that Aerys is her father... According to WOIAF, Aerys made it quite difficult to Rhaella to get pregnant with anyone else but him.

[LordStoneheart]

A POV witness who was present when Aerys was forcing himself with Rhaella. house hold guards in a war time. Most importantly, common sense.

[Gauis Julius Caesar]

Oh my god I was litterally just wondering this exact thing today but didn't have the cahjones to make a thread. I'm also dubious of her lineage,zero proof. Far as I know and recall

[Nictarion]

2 threads on the first page about Dany's true identity.....:bang:

I don't understand this fandom's obession with looking for grand mysteries where there aren't any.

[foreign675]

Because if you don't doubt that Rhaella is her mother, you shouldn't doubt that Aerys is her father... According to WOIAF, Aerys made it quite difficult to Rhaella to get pregnant with anyone else but him.

A mother is somewhat more difficult to refute.

And regardless of how many people can witness a fuck**g rape, no human being can witness pregnancy.

Daenerys was born 9 months later, she might have been a 'late' child of Aerys of an 'early' child of someone else.

I mean, Aerys was dead when Rhaella fleed. A pregnancy takes more or less 9 months, she fled exactly 9 months before Daenerys was born.

Aerys might have raped Rhaella just a couple of days before dying, but that doesn't exclude Rhaella having comfort 'love' with someone else just a couple of days afterwards. And the pregnancy might have happened

with the latter 'lover' rather than with the rapist Aerys.

So I repeat, how do we know that Aerys is her father?

2 threads on the first page about Dany's true identity..... :bang:

I don't understand this fandom's obession with looking for grand mysteries where there aren't any.

I don't understand what you are doing on this board or in threads you don't like either.

[Lord Lyman]

Didn't Aerys make a bedroom visit to Rhealla just before she fled? This is a story told in one of Jamie's POV''s. From this we can reasonably believe that Aerys is her father. There is no evidence to suggest that he isn't, nor are there any evidence to suggest that it is someone else.

[Lord Lyman]

A mother is somewhat more difficult to refute.

And regardless of how many people can witness a fuck**g rape, no human being can witness pregnancy.

Daenerys was born 9 months later, she might have been a 'late' child of Aerys of an 'early' child of someone else.

I mean, Aerys was dead when Rhaella fleed. A pregnancy takes more or less 9 months, she fled exactly 9 months before Daenerys was born.

Aerys might have raped Rhaella just a couple of days before dying, but that doesn't exclude Rhaella having comfort 'love' with someone else just a couple of days afterwards. And the pregnancy might have happened

with the latter 'lover' rather than with the rapist Aerys.

So I repeat, how do we know that Aerys is her father?

Aerys was alive when they fled.

[foreign675]

Aerys was alive when they fled.

Good to know, but they didn't flee together. The point is, he was left back, and Rhaella was 'free' to be with someone else.

[Lord Lyman]

Good to know, but they didn't flee together. The point is, he was left back, and Rhaella was 'free' to be with someone else.

Where is the evidence that she bedded someone else?

[LordStoneheart]

There's no reason to think Rhaella was with another man after she left KL.

[foreign675]

Where is the evidence that she bedded someone else?

Did I ever mention that there is any evidence?

Read back the OP. I am asking a question: is there any evidence that Daenerys is truly Aerys daughter? Yes/No

Full Stop.

I did not propose alternative theories, I was just looking for evidence that I might have missed out.

And by reading your replies, I understand that there is no evidence at all.

The fact that evidence lacks for any other possible 'crackpot theory' as well, is not important.

Because I am not proposing any other explanation for Daenerys parentage. I am just observing that

as far as evidence goes, she might as well not be the daughter of Aerys.

[Nictarion]

I don't understand what you are doing on this board or in threads you don't like either.

Expressing my opinion on how stupid this theory is.

[LordStoneheart]

If you're going by that standard of "evidence" for parentage, very few people are for sure their father's children.

Where's the evidence that Ned is really Rickard's son and not Jon Arryn's or Gerion Lannister or Illyrio Motapis?

[Minstral]

I don't understand what you are doing on this board or in threads you don't like either.

I would imagine because Nictarion is not someone who can use his physic powers to automatically gleam the information locked away in these threads prior to checking them out. At any rate these forums are not a series of segregated topics where people are barred from disagreeing with a premise that an OP presents. If this were the case then there would be no discussion here, and only a collection of the users who came forward and said "I agree" or "this is interesting".

Did I ever mention that there is any evidence?

Read back the OP. I am asking a question: is there any evidence that Daenerys is truly Aerys daughter? Yes/No

Full Stop.

I did not propose alternative theories, I was just looking for evidence that I might have missed out.

And by reading your replies, I understand that there is no evidence at all.

The fact that evidence lacks for any other possible 'crackpot theory' as well, is not important.

Because I am not proposing any other explanation for Daenerys parentage. I am just observing that

as far as evidence goes, she might as well not be the daughter of Aerys.

And here is where I state my stance on this topic. Rather then it being that the evidence is suggesting a possible different father for Dany, the evidence strongly gives credence that Aerys is in fact her father.

[Gauis Julius Caesar]

Expressing my opinion on how stupid this theory is.

A response like what lordnyman said is much more constructive than just bashing

[Nictarion]

A response like what lordnyman said is much more constructive than just bashing

If it was something new maybe I would feel the need to humor it with a legitimate response, but it's not. This topic has been discussed to death around here lately, I imagine the mods will lock this one just like the last one.

[JonCon's Red Beard]

Because if you don't doubt that Rhaella is her mother, you shouldn't doubt that Aerys is her father... According to WOIAF, Aerys made it quite difficult to Rhaella to get pregnant with anyone else but him.

To play Devil's advocate, Rhaella could have gotten pregnant in Dragonstone.

But... nope. Aerys seemed to have been the one who cheated, not Rhaella. That's an important detail.

Back to the question, I suppose the only thing I can offer to the OP is to ask him/herself "what purpose would it serve?". So, Aerys is not her father. Then, what? She's still a Targaryen via her mother, so, she still can control dragons. Also, how is she going to find out? Is her "real father" going to pop out and say it? Why? How would this help to the plot. Is Dany going to say "oh, so, I'm a bastard, so I better give up my dragons and become a peasant"? Doubt it.

I know there is a current trend instigated by bad narrative in recent media that ask readers/audience to question everything. Or to have relatives popping out of nowhere (thanks, Shonda!). But, at least in GRRM's universe, that's not how it works. The things we're meant to doubt are those HE WANTS US to doubt. And eeeeeeeven if we consider the silly lemongate argument, what it could make us doubt is her presence in Braavos, not the fact she's not who she actually is.

So, in the text, there is anything that hints us to Dany not being Aerys' daughter? Rhaella having a lover? Anything? There is nothing. She is who she claims to be.

[Petyr's Little Finger]

Not this again. :bang:

[foreign675]

Expressing my opinion on how stupid this theory is.

Thank you.

This thread does not bring forth any theory at all, but I am sure you're smart enough to have noticed.

If you're going by that standard of "evidence" for parentage, very few people are for sure their father's children.

Where's the evidence that Ned is really Rickard's son and not Jon Arryn's or Gerion Lannister or Illyrio Motapis?

That's my point.

I would imagine because Nictarion is not someone who can use his physic powers to automatically gleam the information locked away in these threads prior to checking them out. At any rate these forums are not a series of segregated topics where people are barred from disagreeing with a premise that an OP presents. If this were the case then there would be no discussion here, and only a collection of the usesers who came forward and said "I agree" or "this is interesting".

lol, I fully understand that.

At the same time, there is absolutely no necessity for filling up a thread with polemic comments, especially when you are not obliged to post at all.

As much as a reader might be disappointed of reading threads 'he doesn't like', a writer who opens a thread on a topic that matters to him is disappointed to read 'polemic' comments that qualify him as 'fandom' for asking a question.

And here is where I state my stance on this topic. Rather then it being that the evidence is suggesting a possible different father for Dany, the evidence strongly gives credence that Aerys is in fact her father.

But it is not conclusive evidence, it's just supporting evidence. There is a huge gap in it.

Before today, I thought the evidence was conclusive. And I was mistaken.