[TV Spoilers] Varys' sexuality subtly revealed
Posted 11 April 2012 - 08:50 PM
The first part of the conversation is light and fun, before the overall tone gets serious by Varys mentioning he knows about Shae not being allowed in King's Landing. Here is the part I am referencing:
Tyrion: "Strange things do happen, you should taste her fish pie."
Shae: "I don't think Lord Varys likes fish pie."
Varys: "How can you tell?" (in a playful tone)
Shae: "I can always tell." (smiling)
*Varys leans his head back and smiles at Shae*
Tyrion: "Men like Lord Varys and I can't let our disadvantages get the best of us. We'll make a fisherman of him yet."
Now that this little tidbit has been written down for you to analyze, I probably don't have to go into too much detail as to what I think it means. I also want to mention that I don't really care about Varys' sexuality, but I just found this little bit interesting as it seems very subtle but also obvious at the same time. It seems to me that David and Dan are suggesting that Varys is gay. I could be looking too much into it, but I've watched this scene so many times, I can't come up with any other conclusion as to why it was written this particular way.
Of course this revelation doesn't affect the story at all, but I'm just happy to have found something that no one else seems to have found. Tell me I'm not crazy?
Posted 12 April 2012 - 03:11 AM
Posted 12 April 2012 - 04:23 AM
Posted 12 April 2012 - 04:26 AM
I also like the reference fisherman, Tyrion is so clever isn't he?
Posted 12 April 2012 - 04:32 AM
And there are multiple ways to pleasure a man without involving his penis or testicles.
The most obvious way would be mostly dealt by another male, though.
I always assumed Varys had homosexual tendencies; not only for being a eunuch, since in the books there are eunuchs later who are heterosexual, but also for his demeanour, attire, and general depiction as a character.
I liked the subtle clarification added into the show. :>
Posted 12 April 2012 - 06:55 AM
Posted 12 April 2012 - 07:16 AM
Posted 12 April 2012 - 08:20 AM
As for eunuchs having sex, I remember reading somewhere that European castrati (guys castrated when young to maintain their high voices but combining that with the male vocal power when adults) often had flings with high-class women because there was no possibility of pregnancy although they could still "perform", as it were.
Posted 12 April 2012 - 08:28 AM
I believe that was in reference to the fact that many of Vary's "little birds" where in fact children workers throughout kings landning.
In regards to the fishpie remark, that would at least for me, lead to the idea of a oral activity, which I'm more then sure a eunuch could perform. This would point to the fact that he is gay yes, which i didnt think was ever in doubt was it?
Also in I want to say a storm of swords one of Danys unsullied was paying to lay with a whore, not for anything routinely sexual but to be held by a naked women. So yes eunuchs can get enjoyment out of it.
Posted 12 April 2012 - 08:30 AM
Eunuchs also want to love and be loved, that's true, but Varys is not as stupid to let his desires/wishes to get the better of him. In fact, he and Tyrion actually discuss this topic in ASoS, and Varys very hints at the fact that Tyrion's obsession with Shae will prove to be his downfall.
Varys was rather pissed by Littlefinger indicating he could use his little birds for his sexual pleasure. That's most likely not the case. Not in the series, and not in the books.
Posted 12 April 2012 - 08:44 AM
Posted 12 April 2012 - 08:48 AM
I thought Tyrion saying he was going to make a fisherman of him yet was one of his funniest lines.
Posted 12 April 2012 - 09:36 AM
Posted 12 April 2012 - 09:40 AM
Posted 12 April 2012 - 10:03 AM
Posted 12 April 2012 - 10:58 AM
Remember that Varys is an actor. Everything he does is carefully done to project a certain image. This is why people don't recognize him in his disguises.
Edited by Hyper, 12 April 2012 - 11:00 AM.
Posted 12 April 2012 - 12:38 PM
Posted 12 April 2012 - 01:19 PM
Someone else also pointed out that later in the books, we learn that Eunuchs do in fact still have desires (whether sexual or just for affection) as is revealed with the Unsullied slaves after freed, do go to whorehouses.
Varys has verbally sparred with Littlefinger on more than one occasion about his sexuality and I felt Varys won that one with his "you seem unusually obsessed with my gash" remarks personally. He successfully deflected Littlefinger's insinuation about his little birds being boys that Varys must be interested in sexually too.
Varys has spent many years perfecting the art of being neutral and I believe this translates into his sexuality as well. I don't think Littlefinger has any dirt on him at all in that regards, and Tyrion's likely just poking at an already well poked at sore spot for Varys. Varys clearly is used to this sort of insinuating and doesn't bat an eye at it when Tyrion tries to use it as a threat. That's why Tyrion had to stop him forcefully at the door and just come right out and say what he wanted to say - because he knows Varys is the master of masking emotions and using veiled threats.
Is Varys asexual or homosexual? We don't know and the scene probably helps viewers start to wonder this for themselves. Martin has never explicitly said in the books. But then again he never explicitly said Renly and Loras were lovers either so there's always wiggle room for interpretation.
Posted 12 April 2012 - 01:26 PM
I've always wondered whether Varys was a eunuch at all, or whether it was just yet another disguise that he wears. Shae's line seems to settle it for the series, given her ability to see through his disguises.
Posted 12 April 2012 - 01:29 PM
Really? I guess I've never considered over the years of book reading that Varys could be lying and in fact using his 'Eunuch' status as part of his disguise. But to what purpose? I'm not sure how being castrated by foreigners before he came to Westeros is of any real advantage to him in his role as the 'spider' or spy of the royal court.