The Wolf Lord's Daughter Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 Ned's dead. :crying: Yoren, Cersei, Janos, Varys all saw it, why would they lie. And Sansa is only unreliable in her recollections. She sees Ned's head in POV real time, so yes, Ned is dead. And Ned's execution happened in Arya's POV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Sansa Stark Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 ETA: I agree however that Sansa has a lot of unreliable source for information..... So I never trust anything that happens to her when there isn't another coherent character to back up the facts of the event. Could you perhaps give any textual evidence that Sansa is unreliable source for information except for unkiss? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tellus Explorer Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 Could you perhaps give any textual evidence that Sansa is unreliable source for information except for unkiss?Seriously?Okay, I was exaggerating I'm sorry.... :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Alysanne™ Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 The unreliable narrator card is getting old, how are we supposed to understand the story if everything someone says is unreliable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Field of Asphodel Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 Okay, I was exaggerating I'm sorry.... :P LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roxWolfox Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 The High Septon himself chides Cersei when she complains about the filth covering the steps of the Great Sept of Baelor; he says that the dirt can be washed away, but not the blood (i.e. Lord Eddard Stark's blood).If the High Septon is willing to believe Ned is dead, well then ... so am I. ;) ETA: Welcome! :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Creighton Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 Neds alive! EEEEEEK, omg where is he, he's on Nuncle island isn't he? Party on Ned Stark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Universal Sword Donor Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 Could you perhaps give any textual evidence that Sansa is unreliable source for information except for unkiss? Well she's a 14 year old girl..... /ned's dead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterJack Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 Rhaegar faked his death and is now building his heros army: Ned, Arthur Dayne, Syrio, Loras, the Hound, Balon, WizardAemon and GreyWind are all recruited by faking their own death for the last battle against Evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyLittleFinger Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 Rhaegar faked his death and is now building his heros army: Ned, Arthur Dayne, Syrio, Loras, the Hound, Balon, WizardAemon and GreyWind are all recruited by faking their own death for the last battle against Evil. You missed Rayobb Westark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bastard of Walton Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 This would be the greatest twist ever! As a Stark Loyalist I want to believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artemis Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 Rhaegar faked his death and is now building his heros army: Ned, Arthur Dayne, Syrio, Loras, the Hound, Balon, WizardAemon and GreyWind are all recruited by faking their own death for the last battle against Evil. Lyanna would object to being left out of this battle too, tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordStoneheart Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 George R.R. Martin said he was setting her up as an unreliable narrator. What you should understand about GRRM's comments regarding this is that he probably meant Sansa's memories have the possibility of being unreliable. I said this in another thread: I'm of the opinion that GRRM meant she is unreliable in her recollections, not her observations. Simply, the UnKiss was a later fabrication in her mind. It's clear that it didn't happen. I honestly hate that SSM. I love that he likes to toy with us, I really do, but too often is his mention of her being a slightly unreliable narrator taken to mean "Sansa's chapters and view cannot be trusted at all! We must question everything about her!" It's quite simply a mistake to think that Sansa's whole character and chapters are unreliable when there are many examples of her having quite the observational mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carey Snow Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 According to this theory everyone in Westeros is an unreliable narrator. It is known. Martin has written a book full of unreliable narrators. But not THAT unreliable, Ned is dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~DarkHorse~ Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 Lyanna would object to being left out of this battle too, tbh Yeah, the army will turn up at the Wall as reinforcement against the Others. Jon spots Ned and runs up to him "Dad! I thought you were dead.... Who are your friends?" he asks, looking at the silver haired man and woman that looks like an older Arya. They all share an uncomfortable glance. "Well...this is awkward.." This is obviously how R+L=J is going to be revealed. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterJack Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 Yeah, the army will turn up at the Wall as reinforcement against the Others. Jon spots Ned and runs up to him "Dad! I thought you were dead.... Who are your friends" he says, looking at the silver haired man and woman that looks like an older Arya. They all share an uncomfortable glance. "Well...this is awkward.." This is obviously how R+L=J is going to be revealed. ;) Nah Jon will know who is real father is even after the revelation: Ned. Fuck Rhaegar, upbringing is more important than blood. (see my signature) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artemis Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 Yeah, the army will turn up at the Wall as reinforcement against the Others. Jon spots Ned and runs up to him "Dad! I thought you were dead.... Who are your friends?" he asks, looking at the silver haired man and woman that looks like an older Arya. They all share an uncomfortable glance. "Well...this is awkward.." This is obviously how R+L=J is going to be revealed. ;) Add King Bob to the mix and you have yourself a really, really awkward situation. That'll be about the time to break out the popcorn if it wasn't for the impending, you know, ice apocalypse :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~DarkHorse~ Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 Nah Jon will know who is real father is even after the revelation: Ned. Fuck Rhaegar, upbringing is more important than blood. (see my signature) :agree: Jon has Ned written all over him, in appearance and personality .Rhaegar didn't get his Visenya but Ned got his Bastard, that's the way I see it too. Although, I really wish we knew what Rhaegar would have thought about Jon being more Stark than Targaryen. Add King Bob to the mix and you have yourself a really, really awkward situation. That'll be about the time to break out the popcorn if it wasn't for the impending, you know, ice apocalypse :cheers: We'll throw Elia and Catelyn in there as well, I think. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Benjen II Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 Remember what GRRM is attempting to do with this series (something the Rhaegar LOVED Lyanna folks forget). The only character who absolutely has to stay dead is Ned. Probably Robb too but DEFINITELY Ned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musashisamurai Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 I actually sometimes wondered if he toyed with the idea that Ned lives somehow. After all, everyone thinks "Okay, for Jon to grow up, Ned must die" (like Duke Leto and his son Paul Atreides) so its a shocker if he lived.Mainly, because Sansa said she couldn't recognize ned's head when joff showed her, and varys's offer to save him. Do we know what their conversation ended with? (Wasn't a letter involved too? To jon?)But nah, Ned is Dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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