TimJames Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 There's always that one family member who somehow manages to mess everything up? Which character do you think is the Family Fuck-Up of their house? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meg Mormont Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Well, It depends from the point of view. Take the Lannisters, for example. According to Tywin, it is Tyrion, according to me it is Jaimie According to that Starks, it is probably Arya, but for me it is deffinitely Sansa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mladen Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 According to that Starks, it is probably Arya, but for me it is deffinitely Sansa If anybody screwed Starks, it was Ned. And Robb also gets honorary mention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SerLinginBerry Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Rhaegar...had to screw some people by screwing someone. Classic Rhaegar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight Of Winter Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 For Lannisters it would definitely be Tywin - for failing to raise his kids properly and making an emotional mess out of them. Small wonder House Lannister will crumble swiftly now that Tywin is dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs. Levi Ackerman Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Well, It depends from the point of view. Take the Lannisters, for example. According to Tywin, it is Tyrion, according to me it is Jaimie According to that Starks, it is probably Arya, but for me it is deffinitely Sansa you're definitely a SansaHater if you think that. But if you come to think of it, it was Ned who fucked his family. And Robb too. Jon fucked the Night's Watch too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferocious Veldt Roarer Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 I can see Lord Tywin's ghosts haunting Cersei at night just to wail: "For the millionth fucking time: a Lannister always. Pays. His. Debts! You moron..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talvikorppi Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 I can see Lord Tywin's ghosts haunting Cersei at night just to wail: "For the millionth fucking time: a Lannister always. Pays. His. Debts! You moron..."Hahaha!As to who in each family fucked up... With hindsight, lots of people in lots of families did. Ned for sure, and Robb.What I find interesting, is dynamics within families, there seem to be these designated scapegoats/black sheep, Tyrion being the most obvious example, while it was Jaime's and Cersei's incestuous relationship (and the resulting bastards) and then Cersei's thirst for power and her paranoia that are very much the causes of the trouble the Lannisters find themselves in. Or is it all down to Tywin being such a distant, demanding father?I cannot but think of Hoster Tully in this. The way he handled Lysa and her "problem" probably directly led to her becoming the unhinged shrew we see in ASOIAF. (As to family dynamics, Hoster calls Blackfish the black sheep of the family - he refused to do Hoster's bidding.)I'm struggling to think who'd be the black sheep in the Tyrell family. Maybe that's because they haven't had a downfall yet. Garlan and Willas seem like decent fellows, Loras is a bit hotheaded and arrogant but not evil. Olenna (and Marg) are scheming, Mace is a grasping oaf... We'll see in TWOW.As to the Greyjoys... Balon. If he'd let go of his own gripe and grudge and acknowledged Theon as his heir and allied with the Starks, his death wouldn't have resulted in the Kingsmoot/Euron/Victarion/etc. mess. Nothing good can come out of it. Plus Theon would still be a man and there would still be a Stark in Winterfell and... and... Oh, wait, we wouldn't have a story! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swordofmorning Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Starks - Ned, Sansa, RobbLannisters - Jaime, Cersei, TyrionBaratheons - RobertTargaryeans - Aerys II, RhaegarGreyjoys - Balon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guy Garlan Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 I think every Martell is a screw up. Even Trystane. We haven't even met the kid, but he can't even win a cyvasse game against an inbred person. What a loser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotherMerciless Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Starks - Sansa, NedLannisters - CerseiBaratheons - RobertTargaryens - Aerys II (most recently, plenty of screwer uppers in that lineage)Greyjoys- Reek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curled Finger Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Stark- Cat. Ned, Sansa & Robb's misjudgments are at least understandableLannister- Cersei, She has no modicum of humanity or morality even in her own head. Greyjoy- Theon. His actions transcend the bounds of morality, family and honor.. Baratheon- Renly. Likeable doesn't make a person rightful heir. He discounted Stannis as much as Robert did, in so dividing a decent base of loyal subjects. His actions against his brother may have caused extinction to their house. Tyrell- Mace. He allows himself to be manipulated by Cersei. It seems that his children are born to pay for his lack of foresight. The Targs are a bit more complicated as there were MANY bad rulers and mean kings. Arys was only the last in a long line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Tsarevich Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Cat's no Stark. Anyway, old Walder needs a mention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolorous22 Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Joffrey. And I'm going to attribute it to House Baratheon not Lannister. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talvikorppi Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 I think every Martell is a screw up. Even Trystane. We haven't even met the kid, but he can't even win a cyvasse game against an inbred person. What a loser. Myrcella! I love the glimpses we're given of Myrcella! Even back in King's Landing, she stands up for herself and Tommen against Joffrey ("We're children, we're supposed to be childish."). She doesn't cry when she's shipped off to Dorne, unlike poor Tommen. And she takes to the Dornish culture like duck to water. She likes hot, spicy Dornish food, unlike her KG sworn shield Arys Oakheart. She learns to play cyvasse and soon bests Trystane. She's one smart cookie. And doomed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skinner Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Clearly the Tyrell black sheep is Garth the Gross. Any problems the family has can be blamed on Garth's farts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batbob45 Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Clearly the Tyrell black sheep is Garth the Gross. Any problems the family has can be blamed on Garth's fartsI actually want Garth to appear in Wind of Winters.Stark-Ned(he let his honor get the best of him)Lannister- Cersei, She helped in the downfall of her houseGreyjoy- Theon- he made some dumb decision. Baratheon- Renly- He didn't really have any love for his own family.Targs-I go with ether Viserys or the Mad King Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorian Martell Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 There's always that one family member who somehow manages to mess everything up? Which character do you think is the Family Fuck-Up of their house?cersei and jamie. All that incest is why the wot5k started Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guy Garlan Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Clearly the Tyrell black sheep is Garth the Gross. Any problems the family has can be blamed on Garth's fartsExcuse you, when a Tyrell farts it smells like a rose!Plus, his farts aren't nearly as catastrophic as Baelor Hightower's. That one fart was deadly for so many people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamWhiteWalkerz Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 you're definitely a SansaHater if you think that. But if you come to think of it, it was Ned who fucked his family. And Robb too. Jon fucked the Night's Watch tooHow? I don't agree that he broke any vows in the first place, but even if he did, all he did was get more man power for the watch. If anything the Watch fucked Jon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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