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US Politics: Passing Gas In Public is Abhorrent Behavior

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22 hours ago, Swordfish said:

I'm not disagreeing here, but I'm genuinely curious how we know this.

I get the argument that with Bannon in the white house, they are represented, but with Bannon losing favor, what power do they wield?

While the number of alt-right members in his cabinet isn't very high, relatively speaking, they are all in his immediate orbit (as was Flynn before he got the boot). That said, I think it's better to look at the policies he's pursuing rather than the people to gauge the level of influence the alt-right is having on Trump and Republicans in general. Take the Muslim ban as an example. Most main stream Republicans were initially repulsed by the suggestion while those on the alt right generally were strongly in favor of it and had been long before Trump said it (you can find old articles on Breitbart and other alt right sources calling for a ban). The surprising popular support for it in the base of the party during the primaries caused several main stream Republicans to slowly change their views on the ban(IIRC the polling seemed to indicate that support for the ban was higher with primary voters than it was with generic Republicans). When Trump proposed it Ryan and Pence both came out strongly against it. Now they're for it. That's one way to look at how the influence of the alt right has increased as time has gone on. A fringe position became a main stream position in the base and then it became main stream with Republicans in general and then it became main stream with the elected class. 

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9 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said:

While the number of alt-right members in his cabinet isn't very high, relatively speaking, they are all in his immediate orbit (as was Flynn before he got the boot). That said, I think it's better to look at the policies he's pursuing rather than the people to gauge the level of influence the alt-right is having on Trump and Republicans in general. Take the Muslim ban as an example. Most main stream Republicans were initially repulsed by the suggestion while those on the alt right generally were strongly in favor of it and had been long before Trump said it (you can find old articles on Breitbart and other alt right sources calling for a ban). The surprising popular support for it in the base of the party during the primaries caused several main stream Republicans to slowly change their views on the ban(IIRC the polling seemed to indicate that support for the ban was higher with primary voters than it was with generic Republicans). When Trump proposed it Ryan and Pence both came out strongly against it. Now they're for it. That's one way to look at how the influence of the alt right has increased as time has gone on. A fringe position became a main stream position in the base and then it became main stream with Republicans in general and then it became main stream with the elected class. 

So to summarize, the alt right influences the base, which in turn influences the GOP?  is that the gist of it?

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Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

The US is finally going after Julian Assange and WikiLeaks.  Trump's buddies.

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32 minutes ago, Fragile Bird said:

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

The US is finally going after Julian Assange and WikiLeaks.  Trump's buddies.

Is this real?...

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5 minutes ago, WinterFox said:

Is this real?...

CNN is reporting that indictments are being drawn up. Apparently there was hope that the candidate in Ecuador who said he would throw Assange out of the embassy might win the presidential election, but he didn't. They'll issue indictments, but as long as Assange is holed up in the embassy not much will happen.

And some talking head they interviewed, some Republican, said that while Trump was cheering him on during the election, now that's he's president he 'recognizes the security risk'. 

One wonders if Republicans are getting sweaty under the collar about what other stuff Russians might leak to Assange.

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2 hours ago, Fragile Bird said:

CNN is reporting that indictments are being drawn up. Apparently there was hope that the candidate in Ecuador who said he would throw Assange out of the embassy might win the presidential election, but he didn't. They'll issue indictments, but as long as Assange is holed up in the embassy not much will happen.

And some talking head they interviewed, some Republican, said that while Trump was cheering him on during the election, now that's he's president he 'recognizes the security risk'. 

One wonders if Republicans are getting sweaty under the collar about what other stuff Russians might leak to Assange.

Well, if the Russian gameplan is simply to politically destabilise the USA then their target will change according to what will achieve that outcome. So pre-election the target was HRC, as a HRC POTUS would be seen as more stable. Now with an unstable DJT POTUS would it destabilise the US further if Trump was to be impeached because of dirt that Russia can dish on him, or is the destabilising of the USA better achieved with Trump staying as POTUS for as long as possible, but use other dirt to destabilise other parts of the political system that may be acting as a buffer for the instability of DJT.

Preventing Democratic gains in the mid-terms would probably be in the destabilising interests of Russia I would think. So Democrats should still be the target, if it looks like substantial gains are on the cards.

Not sure if Russia would have any interest, inclination or capability in trying to destabilise SCOTUS.

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Sassy Trump is back! Talking about chocolate cake and shooting missiles at Iraq err, Syria and whatnot...

 

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On 19/04/2017 at 3:54 AM, Swordfish said:

I've seen a  lot of dumb proposals before, this one is up there.  How do these guys get to the point where they put something like this forward with a  straight face?

I get that this is an attempt to pander to his base, and not a serious attempt at legislation, but is this something people would actually support?

Late catching up but its just wtf.

Problem: The POTUS is only accountable if Congress do their jobs.

Solution: Empower the handful of no longer elected prior POTUS to act on their own, because we want to funnel more and more power into the hands of the executive. Fuck it, why not just appoint them Consuls for life after they leave Presidential office? What could go wrong here?

On 20/04/2017 at 6:17 AM, denstorebog said:

The parallel to the Democrats is obvious, but I still think there's a stronger polarization going on on the right. I think the left can still, at least for an election or two, coalesce around either an establishment candidate like Biden or an outlier like Bernie, and get most everyone on board. At least enough that it doesn't seem like a lost cause from the start.

The situation seems different on the right. The alt-right is a sizeable group now, and they share a strong sense of identity that is nurtured by aggressive smear attacks against not only the left, but equally against the "cucks". In fact, their opposition to the right-wing establishment seems just as important to their identity as their opposition to liberals. It feels like they're almost sworn to their own little community to abandon ship if they're not catered to from now on.

I think one of the most central desires of the alt-right is that "people like them" should be not just the primary but the exclusive target market, and audience, of pretty much everything. Yeah, they're gonna get pissy and walk as soon as they feel they're not being pandered to and they're going to call everyone cucks on their way out. I remember my jaw dropping at the self delusion of some incel I saw after the election who was wondering what Trump was going to do for the incel problem now they'd gotten him elected. I'm not even sure what solution they'd want for that tbh.

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15 hours ago, Swordfish said:

So to summarize, the alt right influences the base, which in turn influences the GOP?  is that the gist of it?

For this example yes, and at some point it goes in the reverse direction. Influence can be from both the grass roots and top down. 

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4 hours ago, Tywin et al. said:

For this example yes, and at some point it goes in the reverse direction. Influence can be from both the grass roots and top down. 

Interesting.  Something for me to ponder.  Thanks.

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NP SF.

In other news, is this Congressman the dumbest human being alive?:

http://www.militarytimes.com/articles/gi-bill-benefits-new-fees-future-enlistees-house-lawmakers

 

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The plan — draft legislation from House Veterans Affairs Committee Chairman Phil Roe, R-Tenn. — would deduct $2,400 from future service members’ paychecks to establish eligibility for revamped post-military education benefits. This was first reported Tuesday by Task & Purpose.

Currently, the post-9/11 GI Bill offers full tuition to a four-year state college (or the equivalent tuition payout for a private school) plus a monthly housing stipend to any service member who spends at least three years on active duty, and to reservists who are mobilized to active-duty for extended periods. Troops wounded while serving are also eligible. 

Unlike the older Montgomery GI Bill benefit, the post-9/11 GI Bill does not require any fees or pay reductions for eligibility. The new proposal would change that, taking up to $100 a month from new enlistees’ paychecks for the right to access the benefit after they leave the ranks. 

 

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12 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said:

NP SF.

In other news, is this Congressman the dumbest human being alive?:

http://www.militarytimes.com/articles/gi-bill-benefits-new-fees-future-enlistees-house-lawmakers

 

 

Wow! Pre-paying for GI Bill benefits?  What a (piece of shit) guy.  Next up, having the Vetrens Hospitals charge them more for pre-existing conditions.  Conditions like that leg blown off by a IED.  Sweet.

:bang:

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19 hours ago, Fragile Bird said:

And some talking head they interviewed, some Republican, said that while Trump was cheering him on during the election, now that's he's president he 'recognizes the security risk'. 

TBF, he admitted the hypocrisy in it. Or at least I thought he did, assuming we watched the same segment. And he didn't seem entirely happy about the Trump campaign saying it was all fun and games as long as the political opponent is targeted on the campaign trail, and now it's no longer fun.

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So! Trump has teased an announcement on Wednesday that'll have to do with tax reform and great, maybe the greatest ever, tax reductions for individuals and businesses. It will be financed by, among other things, "growth".

I'm now taking bets on which preposterous financial acrobatics and clever phrases will be involved in defending this out-of-the-blue tax reform miracle.

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3 hours ago, Tywin et al. said:

NP SF.

In other news, is this Congressman the dumbest human being alive?:

http://www.militarytimes.com/articles/gi-bill-benefits-new-fees-future-enlistees-house-lawmakers

 

 

 

3 hours ago, Nasty LongRider said:

Wow! Pre-paying for GI Bill benefits?  What a (piece of shit) guy.  Next up, having the Vetrens Hospitals charge them more for pre-existing conditions.  Conditions like that leg blown off by a IED.  Sweet.

:bang:

Better yet, let's just privatize the VA and let a securities company handle the GI bill!

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3 hours ago, Nasty LongRider said:

Wow! Pre-paying for GI Bill benefits?  What a (piece of shit) guy.  Next up, having the Vetrens Hospitals charge them more for pre-existing conditions.  Conditions like that leg blown off by a IED.  Sweet.

:bang:

I'm all for trying to find cost savings that make sense. Our deficit is a joke. But this seems like about the worst way to try and pinch some pennies. 

2 hours ago, denstorebog said:

So! Trump has teased an announcement on Wednesday that'll have to do with tax reform and great, maybe the greatest ever, tax reductions for individuals and businesses. It will be financed by, among other things, "growth".

Gotta love dynamic scoring. 

Seriously every forecast I've seen on the likely cuts has predicted a massive explosion in the federal deficit. Yay!!!

Also, I'm getting the feeling that they're rushing this to try and claim a victory in the first 100 days, something Trump has largely failed at doing (Gorsuch being the one true victory). Here's an article that's a few months old that looked at likely time tables for tax reform:

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/10/why-trumps-tax-reform-could-still-be-a-long-time-coming.html

Most relevant quote:

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Still, those hoping for tax reform will likely have to wait months, at least, for it to get done. Due to the congressional budget process and political realities, Trump may not sign tax policy into law until late this year or even next year, experts said.

This could wind up being an absolute disaster. 

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22 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said:

Also, I'm getting the feeling that they're rushing this to try and claim a victory in the first 100 days, something Trump has largely failed at doing (Gorsuch being the one true victory). Here's an article that's a few months old that looked at likely time tables for tax reform:

Gorsuch wasn't even his; he was handed that opportunity by a sentient malevolent turtle.  

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The first thing The Gor Master did was kill a black man.  One who was likely innocent.  One who was convicted in a trial run by  judge who was in a relationship with the prosecutor (they're now married), while the public defending attorney was drunk.

 

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Truly funny.

Apparently the Russian agent who was working to recruit Carter Page described him as "an idiot".

And Carter Page, when asked about telling Russians in speeches that he attended meetings with Trump, said he meant "meetings" in the Russian sense, not in the English sense of the word: that he attended Trump political rallies. A reporter who worked in Russia confirmed on CNN that there is, indeed, a word in Russian, "meeting" that means, attend a rally. Who knew?

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given that its Trump, I have to wonder if we might not end up with a budget catastrophe by accident over this:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-and-his-aides-take-hard-line-on-border-wall-as-threat-of-government-shutdown-looms/ar-BBAcM0n?ocid=msnclassic

 

Many of the commenters are saying Trump really should get 'cash in advance' from Mexico to pay for the wall, if he wants it that badly.

 

In a pair of tweets, Trump attacked Democrats for opposing the wall and insisted that Mexico would pay for it “at a later date,” despite his repeated campaign promises not including that qualifier. And top administration officials appeared on Sunday morning news shows to press for wall funding, including White House budget director Mick Mulvaney, who said Trump might refuse to sign a spending bill that does not include any.

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