manchester_babe Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Basically, why aren't there any other titles besides Lady & Lord in Game Of Thrones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus Snow Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Cos the George didn't want the hassle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lollygag Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 It unnecessarily complicates things. Unless you're from a very specific culture or a royal history fan, most people don't know the difference between any of these. King/Queen and Lord/Lady are simple and need no complicated explanations for anyone not familiar with royal rankings. Also avoided were any well-defined laws, a justice system, economics, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light a wight tonight Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Dook, Dook, Dook, Dook of Earl, Dook of Earl, Dook, Dook of Earl, Dook, Dook of, etc, etc. If the books had been written by a Brit maybe there would have been some effort at providing a hierarchy of the nobility. But they weren't and there wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shouldve Taken The Black Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 GRRM has said in the past that in retrospect he might have added a rank or two more. 16 hours ago, Light a wight tonight said: If the books had been written by a Brit maybe there would have been some effort at providing a hierarchy of the nobility. But they weren't and there wasn't. Lol, I remember when I first read the books as a kid, I was genuinely confused as to why there weren't ranks. I didn't realise that that was me being quintessentially British. Before reading ASOIAF, I was a big fan of Raymond E Feist's Midkemia books, but I find them pretty much unreadable now. He has a very rigid hierarchy for his lords: baron < earl < duke. To me, it is an example of how basic his world is in comparison to GRRM's. The lack of distinction between the nobility reflects the fluid and confusing nature of the 7K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nittanian Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 19 hours ago, manchester_babe said: Basically, why aren't there any other titles besides Lady & Lord in Game Of Thrones? So Spake Martin: Quote The number of titles of medieval nobility multiplied over times, as the feudal system became more complex and the social structure more layered, with various degrees of precedence, etc. In the earlier periods -- say, England around the time of Henry I and William II Rufus -- all those different titles did not exist. I prefered the simplicity of those times. In hindsight, I probably should have added a least one more title to differentiate the great houses from their vassals, but I am glad I stayed clear of using the whole roster of noble stylings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sunland Lord Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 I quite needed to adjust to some of the titles there already. Hedge knight, landed knight, sworn knight, castellan, lord, queen regent, king who is not of age, a king. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newbieone Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 2 hours ago, The Sunland Lord said: I quite needed to adjust to some of the titles there already. Hedge knight, landed knight, sworn knight, castellan, lord, queen regent, king who is not of age, a king. Of all those only lord and king/queen are titles in the sense of a title of nobility. The rest are just jobs. Although knight is a proper rank, the 'Knight of Junkhold' pattern is basically an emulation of lordly styles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMIFairy Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 Besides missing a middle tier between Lord and Knight/Master, GRRM gave us "knight" which could mean any of the three: - a heavy cavalryman - a noble landowner (landed knight) - an anointed knight or "Ser" With overlap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormking902 Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 Westeros isnt Jolly Great Britain for one and also because GRRM didnt wanna complicate the story to much with such trivial things as many have stated, I think one more rank between lord and knight is needed but im happy with what Grrm has created as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Yozza Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 ecause it would unnecessarily complicate the world. Maybe a different title for the minor lords that rank between a house; Karstark, for example; and landed knights could have been used but I, for one, am glad Martin chose to avoid this. Hell, I'm a brit myself and I don't have a clue about the ranks of our nobility. I know the three titles but not what order they go in or anything like that. On the flip side, I don't have any trouble understanding which lord is which rank in Westeros despite their being only the one title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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